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Lights on Ariens (Sno Tek)

Discussion in 'Residential Snow Removal' started by crazyskier537, Dec 31, 2010.

  1. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Hi all! As you see, i'm new here and will post an introduction soon after this post. I need to put lights on my 24" ariens sno-tek that I purchased last season (no electric start). I don't know if there is an alternator on this model, but there is a black wire with a qc (quick connect) attached. I tested it with a voltmeter and it was dead when the machine was off, but turned live when I started it. Either the voltmeter is ********, or I am (or a little bit of both) because it only shows 3 volts peak. Does this model even have an alternator? Or am I on a wild goose chase?

    Thanks for your time,
    Tim
     
  2. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    That wire should be for a light. But double check with an ariens dealer to make sure. They don't put out a lot especially at an idle. and you will need a light that is made for a snow blower,or garden tractor, as there is no battery, then there is no charging system. When the engine is at idle the light will be dim and get brighter as the RPMs increase. Don't try to use a regular 12V automotive light because theyare designed to be used with 12V regulated systems this is not regulated and can cause the light to blow.
     
  3. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Ok, thanks! I wanted to run dual "position" lights on both ends near the intake. They are the 44 led flashers from ebay. They draw about .5 amps, so there shouldn't be a lack of juice. Ariens is closed for the holidays, and they mentioned nothing about an alternator. That's why I came here;) I hope I can run some little led fog light on the impeller housing/ chute as well.

    Thanks for the help,
    Tim

    Oh, and if any mod thinks it is appropriate to move this thread to the commercial section, go right ahead, because thats where it belongs:eek: Sorry for the confusion
     
  4. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    Yeh the LED lights don't draw much power, but they are still designed to work on regulated systems, and most snow blowers are not regulated. It may not blow them right away, but it will greatly shorten thier life.
     
  5. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Idk, i'm thinking that if I add a 20 watt halogen in, the current draw will be greater, and the voltage, smaller. From what I know, LED's will burn out if excessive voltage is applied, but too little power shouldn't hurt them.

    Also, is there any way to regulate the current? Possibly a battery or something?

    Please tell me if I got this all backwards.

    Haha, now I realize this thread belongs in the strobe lighting forum.:rolleyes: I'm all over the place, sorry...

    Tim
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2011
  6. keitha

    keitha Senior Member
    Messages: 133

    Engine make and model #'s help.
    If Briggs engine...
    What color QC
    Only One wire?
    White QC 14 volt AC Lighting circuit
    or white could be DC .5 amp @2800rpm (charging)

    Black / GREEN QC could be one of three DC type circuits.

    Keith
     
  7. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Ok, it's an LCT engine and the the wire is black. There are green wires that I followed, and are ground for something (they are bolted indirectly onto the engine mounts), and white wires that lead to the key.

    So yes, there is only one wire free. The qc is clear, and the wire is black. It's deffenitely a live wire when the engine is spinning.


    Thanks,
    Tim
     
  8. keitha

    keitha Senior Member
    Messages: 133

  9. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    http://www.ariens.com/products_snow/sno_tek/sno_tek_24/Pages/default.aspx

    This is the blower. It was bought before last season (september). They mention nothing at all in the manuals about an alternator, so i'm kinda shooting out blindly about the possible specs of it, or even if it exists. I thought someone may have already put some lights on one of these, but it looks like noone has.
     
  10. keitha

    keitha Senior Member
    Messages: 133

    Ah... a black Ariens.

    Everybody is building a price point machine.
    Download the service manual and it should have an electrical section.

    Keith
     
  11. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    I would definately try the manual first and if you don't find anything there then talk to a dealer. I havent seen any of the LCT engines yet, since they have only been out a couple years, to know what systems they are using. Up untill about 2 years ago Tecuhmsah made the bigger portion of snowblower engines, but since they have gone out of busines B&S, Honda, and LCT have been trying to compete and fill the void.
     
  12. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Well, I don't know how to explain this, but I went out to my blower with a little indicator light I created out of a resistor and led, and hooked it up. Then, when I went to start the blower, it shined nice and bright, but, the blower shut off within seconds. I said wtf and said screw it, i'm going for the strobes. I hooked the strobes on, and cranked the pullstarter handle about 20 times. Nothing. I thought i may have flooded it, but I clipped off the lights, and it started in the first pull. Still, unconvinced, I hooked the hot on to the cheap $4 strobes while the machine was running, and it turned off. When I tried to start it again, I looked down at the lights, and they were flashing in FULL BRIGHTNESS and speed when I yanked the cord.

    Also, I was so po'ed, that I yanked so hard I broke the starter handle.:realmad:

    There must be an alternator, since the lights do flash for the moments that the alt. is spinning before the engine dies, but how do I get the power from it? What the :D:D:D happened?
     
  13. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    Bump:bluebounc

    Does noone on this forum know what I could be doing wrong or if this model can take a light? I spoke with an ariens dealer/ specialist, and he said there may be an alt. in there. I tried everything, including calling ariens and asking them, but I haven't gotten a response. Honestly, this is ridiculous. Ariens or LCT doesn't have anyone who would actually know what's inside the engines they build. I've called them and gone on a rant, but all they say is, "umm yeah, i'm not really sure".:gunsfiring:

    Oh, btw, noone of that was directed at you all or the forum. I just need to let out some steam about all this.:angry:
     
  14. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    They offer either AC or DC power sources on thier engines. What is the model number and serial number for your engine ?
     
  15. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    I'll check it and get back to you when I get back to my house later today.

    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2011
  16. garandman

    garandman Junior Member
    from Boston
    Messages: 6

    It's generally easier and more effective to just wear a headlamp.

    A 4-5 LED headlamp is pretty bright and costs less than $50. You can buy other models for less.
     
  17. crazyskier537

    crazyskier537 Senior Member
    from NE IL
    Messages: 129

    sorry for the long reply, just got back from colorado.

    model #920400
    serial #001904

    Thanks for the help,
    tim
     
  18. keitha

    keitha Senior Member
    Messages: 133

    Did you get the LCT manual and check it out?
    If not, you'll need the LCT model #.

    With the symptoms your describing, I believe you have a remote
    engine shut down connection. (completing the circuit kills the engine)

    Keith
     
  19. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    That is the model and serial for the blower, I need the numbers from the engine itself. If you can find them. If not OK i'm trying another route just in case, but it is easier with the numbers.

    And how was COLORADO ?
     
  20. geer hed

    geer hed Senior Member
    Messages: 275

    The model and serial numbers should be etched into the base of the engine block.
    They should begin with

    PLMHK
    PW1
    PW2

    Look for that.