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Light Bar question

Discussion in 'Strobe Lighting' started by snowdieselva, Mar 14, 2009.

  1. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    Hi everyone. I am new to this website. I have a 97' F250 Power stroke with a Meyer plow. I have a backrack on it and i am looking for any suggestions on a full size light bar. There are so many choices out there that i'm wondering what setups you guys run and how you like them. I am leaning towards a Whelen, but i am open to other ideas and possibilities. The truck does not have any other lights on it now and i plan on installing strobes soon to.

    Thanks in advance for your help. It is much appreciated...

    justin
     
  2. Pirsch

    Pirsch Senior Member
    Messages: 596

    The big question you need to ask yourself. What type of Budget do you have? There are alot of bars out there. Whelen is one of the strongest bars and Federal, Code 3, SVP/Star has some good ones too. You need to look at what you want the bar to do. Take downs, Back Lighting, Alley Lights, Do you want LED, Strobe or Halogen.

    The biggest thing is what type of budget your looking at. Prices for full size bars will range from in the $250-$3000 range depending on what you want.

    Give us a hint and we'll point you a direction to go.
     
  3. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    I want only LED's. I am planning and expecting on spending probably 1-2thousand. Under 1000 would be nice but most of the ones i have seen are $999+. I am interested in a full size LED light bar with take downs, alley lights 10-12 LED light heads on it. Any other ideas would be appreciated.
    Thanks
     
  4. chuckraduenz

    chuckraduenz Senior Member
    Messages: 345

    i had a 911ep 49" millennium lightbar. it had alley lights, take downs, arrow stick. its reprogrammable to about a few 100 patterns. can also turn it into a tow bar with brake functions on the bar. can easly change colors on it. low power draw. about 25amps. kinda wish i wouldnt have sold mine. but i got an offer on it i couldnt resist. if need i can get ya one. i know a guy whos got a few for sale. i can also get pics. but for those of you who said 911ep is out of buisness. your wrong. and also those of you who said the millennium bars catch fire. there not its tha galaxy bars. and they didnt catch fire. the main brain fryed. muchless how can a bar catch fire when its frame is alum. but i like my bar i had. never had a problem with it. iv got a video of mine on photobucket. i might find another......

    chuck
     
  5. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    full size whelen LED, that leaves the whelen liberty and the justice both are nice it all comes down to budget and personal preference.. heres a link to my setup(pics and videos)http://www.plowsite.com/showthread.php?t=65656 ... 55in whelen liberty 14 led heads (fully populated police model) alleys/takedowns/rear traffic advisor
     
  6. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    I just saw that you have Whelen Liberty on your truck. How do you like that, and i like the pictures and videos of it. I am interested in that particular model with the same setup as you have? The cheapest liberty i have found is about $1500? Does that sound like a good deal?
     
  7. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    thats a good deal.... i love the bar its awesome to plow with.. i plow for a municipality so its great keeps people back, they dont pass you,pull inf front of you, and oncoming usually pulls over and lets you pass.
    i paid around 350 more than that for my bar and controller
     
  8. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    thats good to know. thanks for all the help. i think i am going to order the liberty soon. it looks very very bright. With taxes shipping and the controller it would be right around 1800. how hard was it to mount your controller?

    Im probably going to build a police style console out of steel and weld it up and build brackets for the controller and my cb radio and switches i have for it but i was just wondering of any other good suggestions that would be easier on where to mount the controller so it is easy to get to?
     
  9. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    well mine was really easy to mount running the wires was a little more difficult. the over head console just pulls off the roof no bolts or anything it just clips up. the all i had to do was drill2 holes in the black piece that was still attached to the roof put in carriage bolts so that the threads were facing towards the doors slid the controller over the heads of the carriage bolts and tighten them..
    good luck
     
  10. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    Thanks. I'm just curious, where did you purchase your liberty?
     
  11. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    through a local installer up here in MA he gets all his bars through MHQ (municipal Head Quarters) who upfit all the police/fire/ems/dpw/dot vehicles in the area
    sirennet.com has them and they have an option so you can lay the bar out exactly how you want it
     
  12. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    again thanks. i will checkout sirennet.com

    again just wondering, how long have you had your Liberty, and do you know what the main difference between the Whelen liberty and the Justice are? There is a big price difference and some people are trying to sell me on the Justice.
     
  13. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    ive had mine since october... the justice uses 6led corners, con3 modules and has no control over indivdual lightheads(for flash patterns/turning on&off). the liberty uses 12 led corners and linear leds all around (better/brighter/less directional) has complete control over each pair of lightheads for flash patterns/turning on&off. also has crusie lights
    both have the ability for a traffic advisor (big difference here is liberty has it so it can be used with an controller justice needs a special controller

    heres the two specs/features from whelen
    Liberty:
    FEATURES

    • Four Extended Corner Linear-LEDs adds increased lighting coverage to each side of the lightbar.
    • Add up to12 "LINEAR LED" directional modules, for a total of 16 linear LED modules.
    • All Linear-LED™ lightbar featuring the next generation of ultra bright, ultra wide-angle LED technology
    • Build your lightbar in any color combination with take-downs and LED modules in any position you want
    • Sleek aerodynamic profile with state-of-the-art optics
    • Optoinal halogen take-downs and alley lights.
    • Optional five or six Linear Traffic Advisor™ with ultra high intensity Linear LED modules.
    • Clear outer lenses are standard, optional color lenses are available
    • Lightheads are driven by an all electronic module that provides proper input power and choice of flash patterns. You are assured of equal light intensity fron each lighthead through a voltage range of 10-16 VDC.
    • ScanLock™ allows you to scan through ten flash patterns and lock in the desired pattern. Every pair of lights can have it’s own unique pattern.
    • All models exceed SAE requirements
    • Extruded aluminum chassis provides superb strength and stability
    • Slightly wider footprint provides greater stability and weight distribution on the thinner roofconstruction of today’s vehicles
    • All LED modules feature new wide angle design for increases performance
    • Low "LC" Current operation uses a small diameter external cable harness for operation with standard or low current switch controls or micro switches
    • Pre-wired with 15’ passenger side cable exit
    • Optional driver side cable exit available

    SPECIFICATIONS

    • Extruded aluminum chassis provides superb strength and stability
    • Slightly wider footprint provides greater stability and weight distribution on the thinner roof construction of today's vehicles
    • All LED modules feature new wide-angle design for increased performance Low "LC" current operation uses a small diameter external cable harness for operation with standard low current switch controls or micro switches
    • All models exceed SAE requirements
    • Passenger side, 15' external cable harness includes two (8 gauge) power cables to the battery, and sixteen low power (22 gauge) function wires for connection to the customer supplied Switch Control. These low power function wires need less than ½ amp to operate, allow for simple operational independence of each light bar control function, and make wiring a snap!
    • Driver side cable exit with 25' power cable available.
    • Three standard lengths: 44 3/8", 49 ¾" and 55". Contact factory for custom lengths.
    • Optional halogen take-down and alley lights

    Justice:
    FEATURES

    Front, rear and all bar operation control
    Optional Scan-Lock™ flash patterns
    Pattern override feature
    Alley lights
    Take-downs or flashing takedowns
    Low power operation
    Optional Traffic Advisor with control head

    SPECIFICATIONS

    Twelve inches wide and only 2 1/4" high (without mounting feet).
    Three standard lengths 44", 50", 56" plus a 62" Wrecker Bar.
    Black polycarbonate base on an extruded aluminum platform. Clear outer lens standard with a moisture resistant compression fit gasket. Color lenses available.
    Standard CON3™ lighthead modules with removable optic spreading filters.
    Center section available with single CON3 or two LTR3s™ (for split color center section).
    Corner modules available with 6 or 9 Super-LEDs®.
    Standard passenger side cable, driver side optional.
    Service oriented. Change colors, upgrade or service lightbar in the field.
    Simply remove four screws to access any section of the lightbar.
    Replace any lighthead by removing one screw and single connector.
    Wrecker Lightbar, standard 62" Competitor Series model with rear work and brake/tail turn lights.
     
  14. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    Im leaning more towards the Liberty. The justice doesnt look as bright in the videos i have seen, and plus yours just looks better. Yours has the traffic advisor, is that correct? And if it does do all Liberty bars come with a traffic advisor built into them or is that a option?
     
  15. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    they're all wired for it.. you can either wire it to a switch like mine or buy the traffic advisor control head and wire it to that..
     
  16. ultimate plow

    ultimate plow PlowSite.com Addict
    from N. IL
    Messages: 1,760

    Heres my federal signa legend. I used to have it on the backrack but I moved it to the roof and ran the cable down the post of the backrack with loom. Watch ebay! I got both my legend bars for 1200. They copst 1500 a piece from a distributer.

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  17. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    ColliganLands: If i got a Liberty bar all i would have to do is hook up a single toggle switch or buy the expensive control head and have the Traffic Advisor working in the back or the bar, correct? And any Liberty comes ready for this correct?

    Ultimate plow: I like the looks of the Federal Signal. Looks similar to the Whelen Liberty. How do you like it? And what kind of work lights are those on the back of your backrack? Are they LED?
     
  18. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    one more question Ultimate plow: Does your Federal Signal also have a traffic advisor built into it like the Whelen does? I found a new one for 1499 shipped and its not even on EBAY. I like its price better thats for sure lol.
     
  19. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    mines on a control head.. im sure theres a way to use s ingle switch but if youre going to spend that much for the liberty wouldnt you want to control it fully?
    All liberty's come wired for the t/a (traffic adivsor)
    heres the switches i have... http://www.sirennet.com/9switboxmodw.html
    search around for that online ive seen them as low as $150.00
     
  20. snowdieselva

    snowdieselva Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    oh yea i was planning on purchasing both control heads but some people have told me that you can put a single toggle switch and do it. I figure hell if im spending this kinda money why not drop another 100 or so for a nice control head. do you know what model control head/heads you have to control the t/a and the bar? i have been looking and there are many different models available?