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large sidewalk snow removal bids

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Ziob34, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Ziob34

    Ziob34 Senior Member
    Messages: 182

    every once in a while the larger businesses or towns put out bids for large stretches of sidewalks (sometimes 1/4 mile stretches or longer)....typically we stay away from them as it seems like more hassle than profit (maybe i'm wrong). Just curious how you guys bid these jobs (by the hour, cost per foot etc).
     
  2. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    There is good money in walks if you have a good crew to do it Most people dont like hard cold labor
    I been bidding close to $20 for every 100ft with 1'' trigger anything less is Icemelt treatment I win some some I dont
    This year the route takes about 7 hrs with 1 guy I use to run 2 man crew but I put a spreader on the ATV and that saves time You can plow and treat at same time
    If snow falls at 6am my plow drivers carry a shovel to help on short walks

    I was like you it was a hassle But more people wanting that service done So I started doing them Not many companies offer that service

    I pay my walk guy more then truck drivers Funny part is the drivers dont complain
     
  3. dodgesprt00

    dodgesprt00 Member
    Messages: 46

    I had the same question, my local city just put out a bid for sidewalks on 170 city lots. They average around 45 feet each. the only problem is there grouped at a max of 5 together and spread all over town. I don't usually like to bid sidewalks but i need something for a few guys to do but don't have any idea how to bid it. Would I be better off to plan on purchasing a ATV with plow?
     
  4. mulcahy mowing

    mulcahy mowing Senior Member
    Messages: 718

    You could do very well with a gator or a tool cat fitted up for the job with a plow,blower or a broom on the front and a spreader in the back.. As they can be driven a few miles site to site. Expensive but efficient.
     
  5. jeff45

    jeff45 Junior Member
    Messages: 28

    i do the majority of the sidewalks in my city with two asv rc30 skidsteers. we are paid by the hour.
     
  6. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    We are doing more sidewalks at apartments more this year than ever.. Avg 100 man hrs for a 2-4" event, charge $30 per man hour, sub them all out for $20 for snow blowers, $15 for guys with shovels. Got some good guys. Manage to make a little coin of them. Thumbs Up
     
  7. Ziob34

    Ziob34 Senior Member
    Messages: 182

    seems more money in staying in your truck and picking up a few more driveways unless the sidewalks are very long.....or grouped together so you can get a few in one shot. i passed a while back on some sidewalks that were long stretches on was almost a mile long......probably would make a little coin throwing a reliable guy and machine on them by the hour otherwise sounds better to bid by the job.
     
  8. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    We bought a GMC Canyon with a 6' plow and a Reese hitch style western spreader for big walks like that. We price per occurance.
     
  9. Ziob34

    Ziob34 Senior Member
    Messages: 182

    $30ish per hour seems cheap......say you had a long stretch in town that took 2 guys 5 hours with snow blowers shovels... your only getting around $300...you can pick up a couple driveways and make that in an hour and don't have to pay your employees the workmans comp etc.......unless you already have them on the books for the winter then i guess its good busy work for them.
     
  10. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Sidewalks I only do it by the job Hourly rate you cant make anything on walks
    I make good money on my Ice treatment 80% time my guy can plow and treat at same time Its a Big time saver
    I bid by the job my hourly rate comes out to be around 75-80 per hour Be no way I get that on a hourly job for a ATV
    One day we had Ice sidewalk route took 3hrs My route is pretty tight not much travel time
    I made 900 in 3hrs
    $45 guy wage
    Icemelt $300
    Profit of $555 to pay for gas and Ins
    I can live with this
     
  11. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    Gas and insurance can take a heck of a chunk. Don't forget other overhead..... Phone, electric, heat... And don't forget income taxes!
     
  12. dodgesprt00

    dodgesprt00 Member
    Messages: 46

    Well i got the city sidewalks, 170 lots for $1950 per time. Took 5 guys roughly 10 hours to clean after a two day storm(6") and two days of foot traffic. So $1000 is labor and $52 in salt, i made just under $900. Now since i have this contract till 2014 i really got to figure out what i'm going to buy because i'm not paying five guys to drive around all night and hand shovel sidewalks. But it worked for the one time i will probably have to do it this year.
     
  13. wislxer

    wislxer Member
    Messages: 89

  14. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,167

    Some one needs to teach that guy how to blow through a cleaned out apron without leaving a mess for someone to reclean. It's a power shute for a reason. That always bugs me....our town does the same thing.
     
  15. ALC-GregH

    ALC-GregH PlowSite.com Addict
    from pa
    Messages: 1,132

    Not to be a azz but you should at the very least, try to use some punctuation when you type stuff out. I feel like I'm reading something a 10-12 year old is typing.
     
  16. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    Then don't read it or comment on it
     
  17. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    The other over head gets paid from all the work Spreader out 365 days a year very small % off each job adds up