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Jeep question

Discussion in 'Jeeps' started by atvriderinmass, Dec 29, 2010.

  1. atvriderinmass

    atvriderinmass Senior Member
    Messages: 147

    Hey all you Jeep guys, I want to trade my Ranger in next year for a Jeep and was wondering is there certain years that you can put the heavy plows on? I have the Fisher Homesteader and it's great but i can't back drag with it . I need a heavier plow. I've looked on Fisher e match and they recommend it for some jeeps and not others. What Jeeps years,makes or models would be best to put a heavy plow on?
     
  2. theplowmeister

    theplowmeister 2000 Club Member
    from MA
    Messages: 2,548


    How about a backdrag edge on your plow?
    Snoway with down pressure will backdrag.

    I dont think any jeep, according to DOT will take a heavy plow. you will need to beef up the plow mounting to frame and add air bags or air shocks for the plow weight, and a hefty amount of COUNTER weight (I use 200 to 400 depending on the plow)
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2010
  3. atvriderinmass

    atvriderinmass Senior Member
    Messages: 147

    You think i could put a backdrag edge on this light weight plow? Do you think the plow would work good with one on it cause its so light? Where could i get one? Don't think they make one for this plow. I was thinking about putting some weights on the plow but didnt want to mess anything up with the pistons.
     
  4. sjwrangler

    sjwrangler Member
    Messages: 77

    It depends on what you call HD? My Meyers plow weighs around 600#. Plowmeister's Boss is nearly 700#. How much heavier would you need?
    Plowmeister is much more up to date than me, but the earlier Jeeps can take heavier plows that the current models.
     
  5. atvriderinmass

    atvriderinmass Senior Member
    Messages: 147

     
  6. sjwrangler

    sjwrangler Member
    Messages: 77

    I would imagine you might be able to put air shocks and timbrens on a Ranger, but who knows how well it will work. We know a heavier plow will work on Jeeps, and they are highly maneuverable. Jeeps are tough vehicles.
     
  7. RangerDogg

    RangerDogg Senior Member
    from ma
    Messages: 201

    I have a 05 ford ranger with a snowdogg 6'8" and it weighs almost 400.I have timbrens up front and put 600lbs in my bed and it plows great.I do reidential plowing with it.I live in lowell if you want send me pm and we can talk
     
  8. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265

    if you get a jeep try and get a Rubicon or a jeep that has the Dana 44 front and rear suspension mod already done. most jeeps come with the dana 30. yes you can plow with the 30 but not as strong as a 44 also you will need air shocks or air bags in a regular jeep. the Rubicon comes with 410 gearing and stiffer suspension. it will support the plow much better.
     
  9. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    Forget the front Rubicon D44 it has the same GAWR as the D30 because most of it is D30 parts. The only thing D44 on the rubi front axle is the R&P and inner shaft splines. All else is the same parts as a D30. Axle tubes,inner c's, ball joints, u-joints, brakes, stub shafts, unit bearings,hubs, steering knuckles,,,all the same parts as a D30.
     
  10. Mems

    Mems Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 202

    True. Just as a heads up though, I just redid all the ujoints and innards on my front driveshaft and the Rubicons have a slightly different ujoint and ball centering joint. I've never thought that this would be the case but it is.
     
  11. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265

    the Rubicon also has the air lockers and gearing.
    the d44 axles are beefer then the 30 are .
    the 30 are similar to what the ford f150 used to run the 44 are similar to the old f250 rears.
    the suspension is the same.
    like i mentioned you can use the jeeps with out the 44 i just prefer to be have a beefier rear in the front and rear then the 30. seen many snapped rears from jeeps plowing with the 30 rears . yes user abuse is probley the main problem. i was told better to be safe then sorry.
     
  12. ken643

    ken643 Senior Member
    Messages: 818

    I have the 2004 Rubicon and the Fisher dealer knew exactly what I could get away with and use. Installed timbren blocks and a fisher 6'9" minute mount. It comes with the plastic cutting edge, however i found that leaves a very slight film on the driveway. It is extremely quiet though. My dealer has a company making the steel cutting edge for the plow. I had that installed it works awesome, and back drags with no issues. Check mine out. I love it!
     
  13. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    I am not knocking the rubi as a whole, it has good axle gearing and a good low range in the t-case, nor am I knocking you KEC, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. I have done extensive Jeep work both on road and off for several decades. I have extensively modified both of these axles, such as cutting the inner c's and rotating them on the axle tubes for improved pinion angle without sacrificing caster angle. The weak point of the D30 is not the R&P, it is the u-joint and shaft ears first, then ball joints, and third the axle tubes. At least that has been what I have seen and hear from other builders over the years.
    Jeep really missed the mark on the front rubi axle, it is nothing more than a D30 with a D44 R&P, period. If you do not believe me take a look at part numbers, look at the axle specs, look at the GAWR, it's all the same as D30 except the inner shaft (because it has D44 splines) and the D44 carrier/R&P. The air lockers Jeep used are problematic at best.
    I do feel compelled to set something straight, the statement about the rubi 44 front axle is beefier than a D30, and comparison made between a F150, F250, and rubi D44 couldn't be more wrong if you used a rockwell as a comparison to the rubi axle.
    I agree the D44 is the rear axle of choice if given a choice, but the D30 and rubi D44 front are equals overall.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2011
  14. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265

    i stand corrected . you are right.
    so what your are sayin is the 30 axel up front with a 44 rear will do just fine. so i can put a locker in both and gears. also beef up the other areas and the sett up will be good to go.
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2011
  15. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265

    im looking at 2 vehicles now
    one is a 2010 rubi the other is a 2009 sahara.sahara 44 rear 30 up front
    these vehicles will see plow duty as well as my daily driver.
    the rubi is a black ops and the sahara is lifted and tirers
    both are really nice trucks done correctly i know the premium in this time of year but i have been looking for a good jeep for about 6 months now. and the prices do not vary that much from winter to spring here in jersey for jeeps.
    now my daughter is 12 she will be driving in 5 yrs so this jeep will go to her and ill get another. so i will not want to abuse it too much ....your thoughts .
     
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2011
  16. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    Yes I agree a D44 rear and a D30 front will carry just as much weight as a rubi, and do just fine.
    As far as your two choices I would get the Sahara and save the $$ from the rubi to get lockers in both sahara axles if you want lockers. I would also get a Jeep with a 6cyl for plowing. A 4cyl will do as a DD but for plowing I would want the extra power of the 6cyl.
    How much lift does the Sahara have? You may need to lower it for the plow to lay flat when angled.
     
  17. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265

    ill call the dealer today and find out how much lift. this opens up a lot more possibilities now so im not as stuck on getting the rubi.
    the sahara are a lot cheaper then the rubi so it will be easier on my wallet also. i really appreciate it thanks ill let you know about the lift.
     
  18. KEC Maintaince

    KEC Maintaince Senior Member
    from N.J.
    Messages: 265


    Ggg6
    OK heres the latest. a good friend of mine contacted me today with info from one of his good customers. he has a 89 jeep with a plow. engine has been rebuilt 4.2 liter and good trans and everything serviced. he is looking to sell the jeep. dont need it any more.
    its basically a plow truck in great condition.
    it has a 6 1/2 ft western plow with a uni mount (i think) and truck runs great its a carb guy who is sellin jeep took good care of it.
    he wants about 4500 for it with the plow. (my price)
    do you think this would be a good jeep to start plowing with???
    ill do residential and possibley help some friends out when they ask. i will not be doing any big commercial jobs.
    i have about 10 residential and 2 small lots to plow now.
    i can knock them out with the blower but with the truck ill be done way faster.i just need something to get sttarted
    i really do not want a hugh car payment .
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2011
  19. yamahagrizzly

    yamahagrizzly Member
    Messages: 33

    imo 4500 for a 89 jeep is way to much unless it is in great shape.

    i would first look for rot and rust before i even thought about it.

    locations to check
    1- from middle of the back look for large flakes and holes on both sides of the frame
    2- near the steering box they usually crack
    3- floors
    4- winshield frame
    5-fenders up near the marker light and down by where it says jeep

    if you could get him in the 3700-4000 range it would be a good buy if everything from the list looks good. if not then get it cheaper or walk.
     
  20. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    Nothing wrong with an 89 YJ, but he is a bit high on the asking price. Since it has a carb fuel mileage will be worse than a EFI. Check the frame both around the plow mount, and at the rear where it slopes down from above the axle rearward to the end. The rear area is a common rust area and because of the rear spring perch it is an area that is stressed. It will have a Dana 35c rear axle and a D30 front. I like the older all steel plows more than I like the newer poly blades, call me old school I guess. For doing driveways and tight places I like Jeeps, especially with an automatic trans. As far as the lots I can't say because I can't see them. If you say they are small and know where all the curbs, sewers, speed bumps, etc. are so you can avoid hitting anything hard then sure.
     
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2011