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Ive never plowed before

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by RLawnCare, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. RLawnCare

    RLawnCare Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    I come from Lawnsite. (Residentiallawncare)
    For 10 years I've done residential driveways with a snowblower or a shovel. I've been happy with the outcome. Just recently I was asked from an acquaintance if I would put a bid in on a commercial lot. I cant say no... I glanced at it this morning, I will be meeting up with the facilities manager this afternoon.
    I know very little about commercial. My research has told me that I can do all upfront or a per event. I would prefer to be all upfront.
    I've hopefully attached a photo of the lot and I will have measurements later.
    If someone could please help me with a full season price including walks that would be fantastic. To me it appears that I have plenty of space to push. The top side (back lot) is down hill into a low area.
    I appreciate your time,
    RLC

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  2. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,239

    All up front? You can bid this job two ways. Seasonal contract, Usually your payments will start in Nov. or Dec to Aprill on a 30 day basis. You will get 5 or 6 payments that amounts to your bid.

    As you know you can bid this per trip. Which you would invoice every 30 days. Looks like a nice job. What equipment do you plan on using? What about the liability's the company is going to request. I have heard of guys getting there full amount for season on a driveway not Commercial.

    Good Luck
     
  3. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,044

    What equipment do you have? How big is the lot (how many acres)? Does it need salt?

    From the sounds of if you are no where close to ready to take on this job. People here won't just give you a bid, if you tell us what you think the price would be it gives people something to work with to try and help you.

    But like I said, you're probably not ready.
     
  4. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,613

    Also we need to know where your located or how many snow events you get if your going with a seasonal price.
     
  5. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,044

    I tried looking up the building but didnt get the right one, its a large company, so I'm betting trucks will be in and out of there alot too.
     
  6. RLawnCare

    RLawnCare Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    You are correct I am not ready for anything like this. I do have to start somewhere.
    I currently have a half ton truck. If I get this Id be looking for a 3/4. I dont own a plow. I have 12 snowblowers, 2 of them are 22hp 40 & 46 inches wide and hydro driven. Salting wont be an issue. I am insured but I would need to update my policy to contain plowing.
    I know I have more research to do as far as price goes. I don't expect anyone to tell me its worth X but I am looking for an idea of where to start. Having no experience in this I cant say how long it would take me. If I say 5K a month am I out of line? sidewalks, salt, 1inch trigger.
    Thank you,
    RLC
     
  7. RLawnCare

    RLawnCare Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    What little I know is the manager has no clue of what she is doing. They have 25 employees, a show floor, and lots of trucks.
     
  8. RLawnCare

    RLawnCare Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Minneapolis, 70 inches average, 16 snowfalls of 1 inch or greater
     
  9. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,613

    $5K a month all depends on how many snow events you get and how much total snow, some places with lake affect it snows almost everyday and so on.
     
  10. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,044

    Can you post an address so we can look it up? On an open lot a truck with 8ft plow should easily plow an acre and hour, or more.

    The snowblowers won't mean anything here other than sidewalks. If I were you and I was looking at getting into plowing, I would start plowing residentials and small open commercial lots.

    If you get a new truck your looking at 40K, plus 6-8K for a plow, insurance will probably go up $3k+

    What is your average snowfall per year, how many events on average, how many salting events? What is your backup plan if your truck breaks down?
     
  11. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,315

    The lot looks to be about 1.5 acres <> with a 1" trigger would be a $200-225 per push plus salt in my area.

    For seasonal pricing, average snowfall, average storms and average amounts per storm need to be taken into account.
    $5K a month is very high for a lot like that in my area.
     
  12. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,904

    You just might want to do a little more checking, fella. Thumbs Up

    From a quick Google search, you're somewhere between 15 and 20" too high for an "average".

    No idea on how many snowfalls of an inch or more, but I'm going to/two/too/2 guess you're/your/ur high/hi there/their/they're too/to/two/2.
     
  13. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,904

    Why? The picture is quite obvious.

    And he ain't going to be that efficient being the first time. And with a smaller truck.
     
  14. RLawnCare

    RLawnCare Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    http://www.currentresults.com/Weath...nowfall-totals-snow-accumulation-averages.php

    This site says average to be 55 inches. Yes I was a little off I thought Id error on the side of caution. cover my own ass
    Typical average days of snowfalls are:
    15.7 days 1 inch+
    5 3+
    2 5+
    0.4 10+
    I have had winters with 2 12+ snowfalls
    I anticipate having to make 2 visits. 1 to open or maintain and 1 to clean up.

    As far as a back up I have a friend that plows and Id be okay with giving him the job but I hate giving work away. I've got the time to do it myself. I don't have experience.
    thanks,
    RLC
     
  15. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,613

    At $5000. a month times 5 months is $25,000. divided by 15 snow events, that's $1666. per push. I'd say that's a lot, time to refigure. I think Buff's inline with the per push price, maybe up your number of events to 20 and divide by the number of months billed.
     
  16. rjigto4oje

    rjigto4oje PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,296

    Don't forget to put a blizzard clause in the contract. Last year I had a customer at the beginning of the season. He only wanted his lot done 1 time per event. I would not agree to his terms. We had a blizzard and received almost 20 inches. The lot look like crap. What if it drifts make sure you cover all of the basics. We don't want you to get burned.
    I'm glad I dont do the property anymore
     
  17. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,239

    You are equipped for the walks. Figure your walks expense. Add Buffs $250.00 to that. Figure how much salt you need and what you need to spread it. What ever you come up with times that by your average snow fall maybe a few extra.

    No you do not want to give to your buddy if you got nothing going to make money. Maybe compensate your buddy to help you till you know where to put the snow and teach you how to angle the blade, stack etc.

    I'm thinking $6500.00 for the season. I don't know you could add a little maybe.
    Don't take my advise 100% I get help myself I'm always way high but getting better. Invest in a heavy 3/4 with a productive plow and mix the 1/2 ton in.
     
  18. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,044

    I'll be honest, I don't have the skill set to look at a photo right away and get price (Im not good at telling the size of parking lots this way, trying to get better, so Findlotsize helps me. :nod:
     
  19. FredG

    FredG 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,239

    These guys no the size of a average parking spot and roadway, Island etc. Time it will take to do it in there head. Most been doing this a long time.
     
  20. LapeerLandscape

    LapeerLandscape PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,613

    Even findlotsize isnt always that helpful. Take this lot, its probably about 1.5 acres but I have seen 2.5 acre lots or even larger that are easier to plow. So you can take your sq ft formula and throw it right out the window because of the islands loading docks and just the way its broke up. So you need to just be able to just look at it and break it down into sections. How long to do the right side, how long for the back and then the right.