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I am a Ford Die Hard, But.....

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Eric ELM, Mar 9, 2001.

  1. Eric ELM

    Eric ELM Husband, Father, Friend, Mentor, Angel
    from Chicago
    Messages: 239

    I have always had Ford trucks, except for the 47 Chevy I grew up driving. :) My brother used to work for GM and I could of bought GM products at his cost for many years. The new Duramax Chevy engine has caught my attention.

    I can get 18% off what the dealer pays for it so I am thinking about this for pulling my trailer with 2 Choppers and plowing. Is this too new of a truck to buy yet or do you think there are any bugs in it to work out? I realize this is a dumb question, but I know Allison has been around for a long time, but I just wonder about the engine. I had never heard of them before now.

    It's not to often I ask a question on Lawnsite, so I thank you in advance for any input on this subject. ;)
     
  2. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    Eric,my friend ahs had one since early december-he runs it very hard,it has been flawless so far,thats all I know as far as that goes,with a 5 yr 100K warranty,I doubt Gm would build junk that will come back to hurt them in the pocket.The Allison tranny is no slouch either.The only thing Ive heard bad about them is the beds cracking if you use a headache rack with short side rails or heavy toolboxes.If you havent driven a one-take one for a spin,it will make your 351 feel like its running on 4 cylinders-they really run great,and arent obnoixiously loud for plowing residentials.Id go for it with the discount you can get.
     
  3. eskals

    eskals Member
    Messages: 40

    I would stay away from the Dmax and Allison combo for the first year at least. Not that it is a bad combo, it is just very new. That Isuzu diesel has some fairly new technology in it (like the aluminium heads) and you don't want to be a beta tester for chevy.

    I would say give it a year before buying and that goes for most first year vehicles.

    Eric
     
  4. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    They have been building production engines since august-its march-if he ordered now it would be a 2002 model,I think any noticeable problems have sufaced,if your going to wait long tern you'll need 3-5 yrs yet.Eric,look here for info,and feedback on the D-max,i go there a lot ,just to see how they are holding uo,since I am considering one myself. http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi
     
  5. oldmankent

    oldmankent PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,318

    Eric, it is a tough decision. But, I think I might wait it out a little longer. There definitely still are bugs to be worked out with this engine. I think GM is beginning to stop this, but when something had been going wrong with the Allison or the Duramax, the dealers were just replacing it. Not fixing, but replacing. New engine. They weren't even letting the dealer mechanics give it a once over. This is a sign that there are definitely still bugs. It would be very worth your while to visit a forum for GM diesel trucks and the such as well as Ford trucks for input. The more the better I have found. Good Luck
     
  6. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    The practice of sending back engines and trannys is normal,they did it back in 90 when I worked for Chrysler-everyone does it to find flaws and fix them-this program is stopping very soon,since all small problems have been ironed out-it usually lasts 6 months.I dont see that as a reason not to buy the truck-the returns#'s havent been higher on this than any other new truck.The allison alone is a good reason to buy this,if you want a HD tranny,with or without the D-max.
     
  7. oldmankent

    oldmankent PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,318

    John, I agree with you, but as you point out, these are more short term problems, not small ones. I still think the truck, engine, tranny, drivetrain needs more proving time. After all, time will tell. Chances are, Eric would be happy with the truck. afterall, it can be fixed.
     
  8. jrodgers

    jrodgers Senior Member
    Messages: 156

    I have had mine for 6 wks now and I love the truck. It has so much power and is so smooth and comfortable. I had these same thoughts and dont usually buy things in their first year be it a mower, blower car whatever, but I'm sure they have been tested pretty thouroghly and I have yet to read one bad thing on them anywhere( I researched them as best I could before I bought it). And I said the same thing as John D. 5yrs/100,000 how can you go wrong. I'll tell you this you go drive one and right away I think you will love it. And as for towing that is where this thing is suppossed to shine although I have yet to put it to the test. But on the highway it rides like a car literally. I had my brothers 99 F250SD on the highway for a few hrs and I hated it( not to knock Ford) but it was like a fight to keep it in lane at 70-75mph. Although Im sure everyone knows how I feel because Im am in every tread that has to do with 2500hds Duramax.....
     
  9. Mike Paulsen

    Mike Paulsen Junior Member
    Messages: 21

    Eric, it sounds like the new truck bug has bit you. You might as well go and do it. It sounds like people are happy with it so far.Has a good warranty if you have problems (can get that lemon no matter if it's the trucks first year out or not),your getting a good deal on it so if your not happy your not losing a lot, if you wait for the time test on it there will be something else new that you'll want.Good luck if you decide to do it!!!
     
  10. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    My response:

    1. What is wrong with your current truck, looks like it is in A-1 shape to me.

    2. If you have had good luck with Ford's why change?

    3. Go out a drive a new Ford too.

    Geoff
     
  11. FIREMAN

    FIREMAN Member
    Messages: 50

    My 2 cents....having worked in the car business, stay away from new products for 2 years, this will give ample time to see how these trucks stand up to mileage and use, also (not really an issue for you) but as demand decreases so will price...one thing to counter what I just said, Japanese products are ussually tested to the hills before production. But i agree with the last post, if you've had luck with Ford at least give em a chance...PRICE IS NOT EVERYTHING....GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION
     
  12. plowjockey

    plowjockey PlowSite.com Sponsor
    Messages: 622

    The Japanese product as you call it is an Isuzu which G.M. has owned a large part of for more than 20 years. The duramax diesel engine plant is right across the street from my plant in Moraine City, Ohio. The people there are the people from the 6.2l and 6.5l engine plant. These engines are built tough as is the transmission. All the feed back I've gotten from owners as well as the employees building the engine have been positive.

    Bruce

    IMHO Eric drive it and all the rest then come back to the D-Max that you obviously want.
     
  13. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    Eric,

    I used to go to http://www.pickuptruck.com quite a bit, and when the Duramax first came out, there were a number of problems. I recall hearing about the Allison more than anything. One guy said something to the effect of when he parked it in his driveway, on a slight grade, for extended periods of time, the Trans would not shift out of park. Something to do with the fluid running to the back of the pan. I don't know how they are now, but I think if it were me, I'd hold out a little longer. You don't want to be out of the game because your truck is in the shop every day.

    On the other hand though, some people have had them for a while, and have had no problems. So it's kind of a toss up. I would maybe pay a visit to the local Chevy dealer and talk to the service department. Find out what the major problems have been, and how long they're taking to fix. If the service department has a real quick turn-around time for you, then maybe you could get one with a little more peace of mind...

    -Tim