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How much for this small strip mall

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by rhatala, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. rhatala

    rhatala Junior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 3

    This will be my first commercial plowing job so i was wondering if anyone could help with possible bids.

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  2. Plowman52

    Plowman52 Senior Member
    from Flint
    Messages: 146

    what are all the services they want... shoveling salt.... etc

    also seasonal or per push?
     
  3. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,295

    An idea of size would be helpful, how many square feet?
     
  4. DaveCN5

    DaveCN5 Senior Member
    Messages: 236

    By quick glance I'm guessing about 5,000 sq feet.
     
  5. Wayne Volz

    Wayne Volz Senior Member
    Messages: 694

    We can help

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  6. rhatala

    rhatala Junior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 3

    I will get the measurements tomorrow for you all and it will be estimated on a per push basis including all sidewalks and parking lot areas with salt. I should have got that area the first time. I wasn't thinking
     
  7. rhatala

    rhatala Junior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 3

    12,000 sqft is the area of this property any ideas on a bid
     
  8. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,295

    In my area (northern Colorado) that job would be around $125.00 per puch (2-4") , includes walks and salt.
     
  9. snowguys

    snowguys Senior Member
    Messages: 708


    around here (chicago) same thing he said i would be at 175.00
     
  10. Wayne Volz

    Wayne Volz Senior Member
    Messages: 694

    I'm sure you guys know

    You guys know what it takes for you to make a profit I am sure. However, I would not touch that lot for that kind of money and include walks and deicing material.

    Where is the money for the value of the service you are offering all those stores to continue as normal during a snow or ice event? That's what I think we are really selling.

    Seems a minimum for all those walks, ice melter for walks, ice melter for plowed areas, and plowing would be more than that. I realize all markets are different, but the one constant is slip and fall opportunities. I think sometimes we sell the value of the service we offer too cheap.
     
  11. CGM Inc.

    CGM Inc. PlowSite Veteran
    from Ontario
    Messages: 3,590

    We clear the snow for 125$ and add salt extra maybe 150$ or so.
    +5000$ seasonal for sure salt inclusive.
     
  12. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 7,295

    You make some very valid points, the strongest being the market area and knowing your operating cost. A lot this size shouldn't take one guy more than 35 minutes to do complete when the lot is empty.
    I find it interesting to see the difference between Snoguys, CGM Inc's and my rate. But given the cost of living of the three areas we come from I'd have to think we're all in line for our areas we work.
     
  13. coyote

    coyote Member
    from montana
    Messages: 39

    I dont live in Jersey but know the peice of services there. Double it.
     
  14. Jguck25

    Jguck25 Senior Member
    Messages: 592

    In my area that would go for about 225-275 per push including shoveling, salting walks, and salting lot.
     
  15. coyote

    coyote Member
    from montana
    Messages: 39

    and knowing how people are in your area dont forget about trucking it away. Tell them thats an add on price.
     
  16. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    you really need to be directing that question to be in your area. i could tell you what that would go for around here but your area it would most likely be way off. jmo
     
  17. Laszlo Almasi

    Laszlo Almasi Senior Member
    Messages: 326

    While that location looks simple enough, I'd make sure you will cover all of your expenses. $125 plus material? Not me. Now, $125 plus material plus ground crew might be a little different story. I myself could knock that lot out in 30 min tops provided the lot was completely empty. But your ground crew will be there longer taking care of the sidewalks. If cars are in the lot your time can easily double.

    Don't sell yourself short or hurt the market for your services. I agree with Wayne in that many providers sell their service for much less than it is actually worth. Each year they will want it for a little less and less and then the next thing you know you are hardly covering yourself and not making enough profit to make it worth the work and effort.

    I just turned down a local grocery store here in NC with 150 spaces, rear docks, sidewalks, 2 entrances, and equivalent of 3 lanes wrapping around the rear of the store. How much were they offering per push? $171 plus $80 for deicing material. I actually laughed when I read their proposal. I myself won't drop my plow on the ground for that much. I have much smaller locations (fast food locations) that I bill $125-150 per 2" push plus material if needed and I don't have to touch the sidewalks at all.
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2011
  18. CGM Inc.

    CGM Inc. PlowSite Veteran
    from Ontario
    Messages: 3,590

    ....how often do you have a completly empty lot?
    In a perfect world snow is done at 1.00am and we can plow and salt before open of business.
    We always figure a return trip per event to clean up full or tight spaces.

    Most of our clients also want that service!
     
  19. DodgeBlizzard

    DodgeBlizzard Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    Do you charge an additional fee for that return trip?
     
  20. Laszlo Almasi

    Laszlo Almasi Senior Member
    Messages: 326

    How often? Depends on the time of day but if it is during the day....NEVER!! I actually had one guy last season that intentionally parked his work van right where I was getting ready to plow. He went around and parked in the direction I was pushing rather than wait until I made a couple more pases and park in the clear. You can only imagine how much snow was packed neatly around his van when he returned the next day. I made sure he was going to have to work to get his piece of crap out. :gunsfiring:

    So, that being said...expect to have at least 2-3 cars in the way. And you will be surprised how much time those few vehicles will eat up.