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How do you define a "lemon" plow?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by TwoPuttTommy, Feb 15, 2004.

  1. TwoPuttTommy

    TwoPuttTommy Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    Say you bought a brand spankin' new plow in the fall....

    How many failures in the field/trips to the dealer to repair the SAME problem before you would call that plow "a lemon"?

    Any personal anecdotes you'd like to share about "lemon" plows - i.e., the problem, the "customer service" recieved from the dealer and/or manufacturer, number of failures/trips to the dealer......
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Any trip to repair the SAME problem implies that this is the 2nd time this has happened. In that case, that 2nd trip would be the "lemon trip".

    "Do it right or don't do it at all."
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2004
  3. Turfmower

    Turfmower Senior Member
    Messages: 376

    Lemon laws don't pertain to equipment. I had a $9000.00 dollar mower that was lemon. It bad design from manufacture. Told by several lawyers that it would end up costing me to take them to court.
    Also if truck is in business name it not covered by lemon law.
  4. PLOWMAN45

    PLOWMAN45 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,817

    2 trip 3 tops its junk

    CARDOCTOR PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,304

    what are the problems
    what brand

  6. joethevacman14

    joethevacman14 Member
    Messages: 44

    Do a search for Meyer -- a whole slew of problems will come up.

    Do a search for Western or any other brand -- only a couple!
  7. TwoPuttTommy

    TwoPuttTommy Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    Brand spankin' new Hiniker "C" plow, purchased last fall for this season, installed on a brand spankin' new F-250.

    Solenoids controlling blade movement keep frying. FIVE trips to the shop.

    Hiniker: "Gee, TwoPutt, we've never had this problem before, but we "THINK" we've got it solved.":)

    TwoPutt: "I'd feel much better if you said you "KNOW" that it's solved, OR you stuck a new rig on my truck.":mad:

    Hiniker: "We can't (meaning, "won't") do that." :nono:

    Which, of course, gets back to my question to you, how many trips to the dealer for the same problem before you consider the plow a lemon?
  8. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    1. Seems I keep reading that as a favorite refrain.

    2. Like I said before, the 2nd trip would be the "lemon trip".
  9. LockedUP

    LockedUP Senior Member
    Messages: 114

    Solenoids don't fry for no reason. either they are junk or staying on too long or your truck is charging over 15 volts.or rectifier bad ac in the dc ...Nothing else can fry an electrical device..

    My guess is they can't figure it out....I;'m sure we can help you get it right...
  10. Bolts Indus.

    Bolts Indus. PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,176

    That is correct. They can't fry without too much voltage or being on too long. Or they are defective. This is a new install so I would start back at the truck and work forward to the plow wiring.
  11. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    Could a bad ground cause a solenoid to go bad?? It seems most electrical problems can be traced to a bad ground.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2004
  12. TwoPuttTommy

    TwoPuttTommy Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    Last Saturday (just two days ago but this nightmare seems to be lasting forever), the manufacturer agreed to replace the wiring harness. Wehn disconnecting the passenger side plow headlight, they found the ground pin on the plug had corroded away.

    They replaced the wiring harness and passenger headlight, and sent me on my way: "TwoPutt, we THINK this should solve yer problem"

    Now, I am a real novice with a wrench, and know even less about electricity/wiring.

    I'm wondering, what caused that headlight plug to wiring harness to corrode?

    Could there be any other damage since a good half-dozen solenoids fried?

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.....
  13. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    Salt and water getting in the connection can cause it to corrode away. I have found die electric grease works wonder at preventing problems. I would think the damage would be isolated to your plow since it has its own independent power supply from your truck. The only thing that is tied in is your head lights. Guess i was right about the ground. :D :D
  14. LockedUP

    LockedUP Senior Member
    Messages: 114

    A bad ground will cause the solenoid not to work it can't burn it out.
  15. TwoPuttTommy

    TwoPuttTommy Junior Member
    Messages: 16

    There's no doubt that they've burnt out - they're supposed to be 9 ohms resistance, and when they're pulled they're flat-lined, or close to it.......
  16. LockedUP

    LockedUP Senior Member
    Messages: 114

    Its just a coil of wire. They are meant to be energized. Any burning out usually means they are defective from the factory..
    They break down because of heat which could be as earlier stated alternator problems..Rare