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How do people run around in 3/4 ton trucks with 2 yd of salt

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by snowplower1, Sep 30, 2015.

  1. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 748

    So i have my 15 ford f350 and i have a 2 yd spreader, and when i get salt, i never fit more than 2000 pounds in it. 2000 doesn't even fill it, i could get probably another 500-1000 but with a thousand pound plow and 2000 pounds of salt in it i am weighing at about 10500-11,000. My gvwr is 10400 so i try not to go over but sometimes you can't be perfect.
    So my question, i see these guys running 3000 pounds of salt in there 3/4 and 1 ton trucks so are they just stressing their trucks out or is it okay to go 1000-1500 over the gvwr for a few hours during plowing?

    I want to be able to safely put more in my truck this year as i already need to buy another salter with much more work this year but i don't want to do it damagingly to my trucks.
  2. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,389

    It's fine....we run work trucks at full weight all year round
  3. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 748

    really? so if i put 3000 in my salter and have my weight at like 11,500-12000 i wont have any problems? i also don't want to get in trouble for being over my gvwr, my registration is 12000 so im okay there
  4. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,389

    Ur 350 is rated 7k rear and 6K front, check door sticker. GVW is 11,400 (ballpark)
  5. alldayrj

    alldayrj PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,097

    If DOT pulls you over just kick the spreader on full blast and empty it
  6. Sprag-O

    Sprag-O Senior Member
    Messages: 220

    Have you actually weighed the truck loaded?

    My CCSB F250 scales at 9200# with an 8.5XV2 and 800# of sand out back...

    If you're running a regular cab, you may have even more wiggle room.

    The GVWR on my truck is 10k, but with a the D60 up front, and 10.5 rear, my axles are rated for a total of 12,100#. While I wouldn't condone running your truck overweight, it's more than up for the task.

    Being an F350 with the additional pinion/side gear in the 10.5, your rear is rated to 6290#. Your total GAWR is closer to 12,300# (If distributed properly).

    Running around at 12k most certainly is not going to break your truck, but NYSDOT could break you :)


    And 1olddogtwo had the rear numbers right above, I was looking at spring rating, the but '3 pinion Sterling 10.5' is rated to 7k.
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2015
  7. JustJeff

    JustJeff PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,934

    I'm guessing that your GVWR is higher than 10,400. I have a three quarter ton and mine is 10,000. Every time I fill up with salt I'm over that, and have yet to have any troubles (knock on wood). Although I don't have to worry about DOT pulling us over here.
  8. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,389

    My 350 ccsb srw is 11,400 or 11,500.
  9. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 748

    It definitely says 10400 for gvwr. But my front gawr is 5600
    My rear gawr is 6290
  10. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,389

    Wow, assumed you had plow prep package
  11. Freshwater

    Freshwater Senior Member
    Messages: 883

    Buy the truck, proceed to the nearest spring shop, leave the shop with more springs on your truck. Seriously though guys are just upgrading the truck to meet their requirements. Whether through the dealer or aftermarket. Then timing their route to spread more salt fast.
  12. BUFF

    BUFF PlowSite Fanatic
    from FR NoCo
    Messages: 6,718

    A tell-tell sign of a overloaded vehicle to LE is a squatting vehicle, put air bags in the rear to control the level of the pickup when loaded. The advantage bags have over more leafs is when unloaded bags don't give a harsh ride and you can adjust to maintain the ride height on the fly as your load lightens which is plus to maintain plow geometry especially when running a V-Plow.
  13. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 748

    I do have plow prep. I think i may get another set of leaf springs. then i would probably be set to add another 1000 pounds which is about as much as i need
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,413

    Get the air bags like Buff suggested. You won't be sorry.
  15. allagashpm

    allagashpm Senior Member
    Messages: 700

    What's the payload sticker say on the door? Mine is like 3800 on a reg cab 350. Don't Remember my gvwr but I've got the plow package. No problems loading 2 yards of sand, 9 foot plow, 35 gallons of fuel and misc. Tools.
    I usually got the sand the day before and plowed a handful on my way to the roads I plow so it empties pretty quick.
    Problem is I love plowing with the sander full the truck hardly ever needs 4x4. I really wouldn't worry about the weight unless the dot is a big problem in your area
  16. Sprag-O

    Sprag-O Senior Member
    Messages: 220

    FGAWR is only due to springs. The D60 front you have is good for 6k, My FGAWR is 5,940#, not due to the axle, but the 'computer selected' springs that go with my plow pkg. They will hold 6k just fine, but may sag a tiny bit more.
    The code on my door jam says CCFF, stating 6k front, 6,100 rear, not sure why they shave off 60#.
  17. truckitup

    truckitup Senior Member
    Messages: 254

    Let me guess you fill at Duke... In Henrietta? They go by registration weight. Up that weight and they will load more.
  18. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,389

    As Sprag's says, its all the same axles, I have CCLL coded springs. I have the factory helper springs as well as air bags.

    For 500.00, you could swap out the front coils and add rear air bags. I understand why the sell a derated 350 but can't wrap my head around it.
  19. snowman55

    snowman55 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,071

    Talk of weight. You are aware that anything over 10,000 and HOS applies ?
  20. Sprag-O

    Sprag-O Senior Member
    Messages: 220

    Reason to Run a 3/4-ton at 10k. No log book, no DOT numbers, no weight inspection stations (over 5ton)