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Home Depot

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by dr.lawn21, Oct 19, 2005.

  1. dr.lawn21

    dr.lawn21 Senior Member
    Messages: 225

    I just finished my contract for plowing at Home Depot this winter. The contract is through P.C. Maintenance Company. Just wondering if anyone has either delt with Home Depot or P.C. Maintenance? I am charging by the hour per truck, and by the gallon for de-ice.
     
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    Are they paying your price or are you agreeing to theirs?
     
  3. Mustang

    Mustang Member
    from NY
    Messages: 58

    I was asked last year to plow two local Home Depots by U.S. Maintenance. Now I know all the lots are different but would any of them be considered small? I don't think so. They were offering $300.00 for each lot!!!!! I think that was up till 7 inches or so. Then it was $27.50 each additional inch. I told them I think they were missing some zeroes. The rep just laughed. So did I. End of story.
     
  4. Bad Luck

    Bad Luck Senior Member
    Messages: 741

    I have a friend who used to plow the one by me. They were responsible for taking the carts out of the lot before the storms. If the weren't, he'd plow them up into the pile. In some spots there were carts buried until March. :cool:
     
  5. Dwan

    Dwan Senior Member
    Messages: 879

    HD is due to open here next year. all the plowers here know each other and will work to keep the middle man out.
    I started my business so I could work for myself and not someone else. so why would I want to work for a middle man that set pricing, tells me when to plow, sets my insurance requirements, and not pay me if I forgot to dot a "i" or cross a "t" on an invoice. Let alone not pay me for my worth. Plus there are not here in my town so I can't git my hands around there neck if they don't pay.

    Dwan
     
  6. TurfTalent

    TurfTalent Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    What was the hourly charge and price per gallon for the de-icer?
     
  7. hickslawns

    hickslawns Senior Member
    Messages: 619

    I know the guy doing our Home Depot and dealing with a couple maintenance companies on different accounts. He says HD's maint company is picky and wants it clean. They treat him pretty good. There are other maintenance companies he deals with that set the prices which tell him just to bill for multiple events in one day to offset the pricing differences. Meaning he plows once, but tells them it was twice. They only pay so much per occurence. It pays "x" to salt. What if we only get ice, and get like 2" of it? Well, tell them you salted 5 times if you have to. That is the answer the maintenance company offers. If it normally takes 500lb and you put down 2000lb bill them for 4 salting in one day. It just seems ridiculous. Why not eliminate all the middle companies, and earn the local manager's trust that you are billing them fair market price for the quality service offered? Seems to me there are a lot of companies paying way too much for services. Maybe it is just me, but that's my 2 cents.
     
  8. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    These things are prosecutable as fraud.
     
  9. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    Ya, If I was billing 2 pushes I would be doing 2 pushes. I don't care big or small company my billing is honest.
    If you want to ruin your name really fast try billing for work not performed.
     
  10. alamarc

    alamarc Member
    Messages: 67

    My local HD is next to the local mall also. The guy that does the mall used to do the HD lot also. He has three loaders each with huge pushers(not sure what size, four backhoes with 10 ft blades and three trucks that do the mall lot. when they had the HD lot it was scraped to pavement with the pushers and sanded for every evnt. Last year HD had two old broncos with 7 1/2 blades on the front plowing their lot and no sand or salt was applied. Now not only was the lot never down to pavment you should have seen how many spaces they lost due to snow piles because we all know that a truck plow just can't stack snow like a pusher or a backhoe. Im interested to see who gets the job this year. Some people just don't have any clue............
     
  11. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    they use a pusher like that at the mall near me, thing has to be 20 to 30' wide. They clear that lot so fast, I can't imagine trying to bid against that.
    I'm sure they charge more but hey, its never closed due to snow.
     
  12. alamarc

    alamarc Member
    Messages: 67

    Ya this thing is huge ive never stood next to it but it looks like its 4 or five feet tall. And when they set down you can feel the ground shake. This the the kind of pusher you need a police escort to transport mounted to the loader. They probably had to trailer it there but in 4 years it has not left the lot.
     
  13. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363


    I agree Mick. And how the hell can you say you plowed 2 times if it only snowed 2 inches. I would think some bean counter would catch on too over billing. That would be great news for the papers, snow plower caught in "over billing" scam. Might as well hang it up then.
    Todd
     
  14. hickslawns

    hickslawns Senior Member
    Messages: 619

    Guys I agree with you. I am not trying to get the guy in trouble. This is how the maint company has instructed him to do it. He is a straight shooter, but you are right, he is opening himself up to potential trouble. The maint company bid x to plow no matter what the snow. So if they get 2x the snow he is supposed to bill 2x. They could get someone else to do it, but they would probably instruct the next guy in the same manner. Maybe I should give him a heads up about this. He is a good guy and I would hate to see him get nailed for doing what the maint company paying him has told him to do. They are the ones that bid this in this manner to pick up the contract, and he actually bailed them out when the first guy they hired dropped the ball. Is this something a lot of maintenance companies are doing?
     
  15. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    you might want to talk to your friend about either not plowing for HD any more or getting a signed letter telling him to bill for 2 pushes when he really only did one. he needs to be able to cover himself. he could also talk to a lawyer and see what they think.
     
  16. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    If I was in that situation I would have concerns about the guy that used to do it, retailiation would be easy, just turn in the guy that got the job from you. Investigation would be on the one doing it now, not the guy from last year that turned it in.
     
  17. hickslawns

    hickslawns Senior Member
    Messages: 619

    Just to clear things up a bit. It was a new Home Depot. A maint company bid the job and got it. The first sub they used couldn't handle it. My buddy picked up the slack for the maint company and they instructed him to bill this way to offset their low bid. My question is this: Is this how the maint companies are getting these jobs? Is this common practice? I would like to know. I have been contacted by 5 maint companies this month. I have always been skeptical of them.
     
  18. Dwan

    Dwan Senior Member
    Messages: 879


    If you have been contacted by these maintance co's then your best bet would be to ask them that question. (Please ask them in writing) I am sure we all would like to know the answer.
     
  19. hickslawns

    hickslawns Senior Member
    Messages: 619

    Dwan you are right. Those are answers we want to know, but you'll never get them to put it in writing for you. My reaction to the maint companies has been skeptical and I ask them a lot of questions. For some reason, they never go with my bid:) Maybe they are looking for someone they can take advantage of or turn into their scapegoat in the event of problems.
     
  20. plowed

    plowed Senior Member
    Messages: 344


    Please do a quick search for my posts about SMG and Symbiot. There, you'll see first hand how I had to deal with them and the nightmare that it was. Never again!