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Discussion in 'Chevy Trucks' started by aaronlampi, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    I have a 1996 3/4 ton with 8600 lbs front. axle full float rear 14 bolt with 4.10 gears in a Gmc suburban with a 454.will the 9200 lbs torsion bars work in the suburban?I have a 8.6 western pro.I already have timbrens but the front sags pretty hard.I also have ride rite air bags in the rear for pulling a 30 ft boat in summer plus a dump trailer for my work.the suburban with the plow and dump trailer weigh combo is 13,560.lbs.to give a idea with what I have for a combo set up any ideas would be great thanks Aaron:yow!:
     
  2. cubanb343

    cubanb343 Senior Member
    from ERIE
    Messages: 637

    Welcome Aaron-
    you sure the front end is 8600? Or is that the gross weight of the burban? Mine is an 07, and has a GVW of 9200. The front is only 4800.
     
  3. Chrisxl64

    Chrisxl64 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 574

    front rating of 9600 are you sure??????? that sounds incredibly heavy.
     
  4. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    re tag weight

    the tag on the door says 8600 lbs I just replaced hub bearings and ball joints and needed that info to get parts.they say very few where made that way.
     
  5. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    weight

    I said 8600 lbs I will go take pic of tag
     
  6. Chrisxl64

    Chrisxl64 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 574

    I dunno man sounds a little on the heavy side,,, as ford only rates the dana 60 in the 1 tons, at 6g.
     
  7. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    re weight

    tgvw is 8600 lbs.the front is 4250 lbs sorry about the confusion

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  8. Chrisxl64

    Chrisxl64 Senior Member
    from CT
    Messages: 574

    if you've already got the heavier suspension,,,and timbrens, i dont think theres much you can do beyond going to a shop to get some upgraded springs, no matter what there is gonna be some sag with a 4200 front ratiing.
     
  9. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    thats why I'am asking if bigger torsion bars would help with getting the front end up:confused:will these bars work on my front end gm part # 15732338 and 15732339
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2010
  10. Detroitdan

    Detroitdan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,937

    Nice truck, I love those wheels on the old body style. Not sure which bars yours came with, being a big block truck, but you can improve it a little by upgrading the bars. There is a chart on fullsizechevy.com (offroading forum) and you can figure it out from there. My diesel 3500 presumably has the highest gvw bars there is ( I think they're called purple bars), so I have nowhere to go. Have your tried cranking them up a little? 5 turns made a noticeable difference with my truck. Also, are those airbags adjustable, like the 5ks, or are they 1ks? I had to learn to back mine off because even with a load I was transferring rear weight forward with the plow on.
    The front end is goind to sag regardless, that's a big plow. People always want to take every bit of sag out of the suspension, but I don't think you need to. If it isn't bottomed right out, it's doing it's job. And you're not plowing like that, just driving between jobs. Once you drop the plow to work it you are seriously unloading the front end and gaining better rear traction to push. I think people forget that.

    There's also a really expensive option for front shock/airbag combos. Firestone makes some, guys here love them. It's essentially a small rubber bladder on top of a shock. Too rich for my blood, but I'd consider them if they ever come down in price. And if you're considering new T-bars, the shocks are probably in your range anyway. Actually, I know they make them for the newer trucks, but I'm not certain if they are even available for our trucks.

    So, to answer your question, yes you can swap in heavier torsion bars. I don't know how much difference it will make, but it seems like a good idea.
     
  11. Detroitdan

    Detroitdan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,937

    Dump the airbags some and put some heavy ballast at the back too, that will help leverage the front end up. Not sure what Suburban guys do for ballast, but you need it.

    I don't believe I've ever seen a full floater in a Suburban, that's pretty sweet.
     
  12. jb1390

    jb1390 Senior Member
    Messages: 710

    i would just turn up your t-bars and call it a day. Are you having problems with hitting curbs or anything with the sag? if it is not affecting functionality, then i wouldn't mess with the t-bars except maybe to crank them up-no reason to sacrifice ride quality for the rest of the year for a slightly better wintertime look.
     
  13. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    It was custom ordered that way the burb has 113k for miles,I love the fact that its multi use and great for hauling and with kids and dogs.I have the bags at 50 lbs of air pressure and rides really nice.also love the cipa magna mirrors 10x10 slide out like the super duty fords.makes for seeing whats around you when pulling and plowing:laughing:I do have the bars cranked up like 6 threads from bottom of head of bolt
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2010
  14. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    It was custom ordered that way the burb has 113k for miles,I love the fact that its multi use and great for hauling and with kids and dogs.I have the bags at 50 lbs of air pressure and rides really nice.also love the cipa magna mirrors 10x10 slide out like the super duty fords.makes for seeing whats around you when pulling and plowing:laughing:
     
  15. MeeksCo

    MeeksCo Senior Member
    Messages: 214

    Can we get some pictures during the day. Or, with a flash.
    Seems to me that you don't have that big of a sag at all.
    What's the problem?
    Crank those torsion bars, but make sure you put them back at the end of the season.
     
  16. mossman381

    mossman381 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,410

    You need some ballast. It doesn't look like it is sagging that bad. Looks like a really nice suburban.
     
  17. Detroitdan

    Detroitdan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,937

    6 turns is plenty, I wouldn't recommend going any more than that. 50 lbs is too much air if you aren't towing a huge trailer or loaded down. And like I said, even if you load it down with ballast, cranking the bags up to carry it higher will only transfer weight to the front axle. I went through that with my truck after I put the bags in. I'd get a load of sand on and blow the bags up to 60 to carry it, the rearend was way higher than the front and the plow wasn't lifting high enough. I run mine at 20-30lbs usually with just my tailgate sander on and big toolbox. When I put a ton or two of mix on I might bump it up to 40 but even then I usually don't. 20 lbs will keep it from bottoming, and it will still ride good just not pushing weight forward.
     
  18. aaronlampi

    aaronlampi Junior Member
    from 55445
    Messages: 15

    new pics

    here are new pics with plow up and own also I dropped air pressure in the rear bags to 15 lbs

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  19. Detroitdan

    Detroitdan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,937

    That's a beauty, wish I had one just like it. It looks really good with the plow up, I wouldn't change a thing.