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HHHHHUUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Help!

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by 3PLLC, Oct 23, 2007.

  1. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Needing to place bid on 370,000sq ft lot. Mostly open. I will need to salt. Any ideas on pricing sure would help. Thanks.
     
  2. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    What kind of a lot is it? - obstacles, street lights, rough measurements is width/length etc

    What kind of equipment do you have? Are you going to need to truck snow offsite or leave it? What kind of service will it require? (ie: storage facility or shopping center)
     
  3. Acutabovesiny

    Acutabovesiny Member
    Messages: 54

    How will you price the job???
    -per push?
    -per storm?
    -per season?
     
  4. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    snow will not need to be removed from site. There are about 7 islands and 20 pole lights. This is mostly an open area. Yes, the measurement is pretty much length * width ,for the most part. My question is based on the use of one pickup truck with 8'2 v-blade.
     
  5. dmontgomery

    dmontgomery PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,238

    8+ acres with one truck.......I think you may be a little behind the 8-ball with this one......at 1 acre per hour per truck you are well over 8 hours....... and that is with a minimal snowfall......plus 4 tons of salt per app.....at a minimum.......

    Better line up some subs.......
     
  6. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    I figured about 6hrs to plow max. WWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!! that much salt .......really?????????
     
  7. Acutabovesiny

    Acutabovesiny Member
    Messages: 54

    i hope your not planning on billing by the hour. At leaste that much salt.
     
  8. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Ok....here's what i'm thinking. 1200.00 to plow and salt. Now i'll wait for the "DUDE YOUR TOO HIGH" OR "WHAT.... I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR TWICE THAT" :) :) :) :)
     
  9. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    How many plowings and saltings do you avg?
     
  10. mrbrickman

    mrbrickman Senior Member
    from montana
    Messages: 138

    youre getting there i think, i charge for this building, which is 778000 sf, almost 18 acres.....its 4 tons of salt and with 2 trucks takes around 5 hours on a smaller snow....my usual bill is around 1450-1700 depending if i come back to salt more or not

    good luck, that dosent seem to bad, salt is what jacks the price fast....make sure youre getting 150-180 a ton put down plus spreader truck time of 100 an hr or so

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    Last edited: Oct 23, 2007
  11. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Nice Reply.....Thanks a bunch. I figured I was close,,,,but wow-I was way off in salt. I have always plowed small lots, nothing large like this, and i was thinking somewhere around 800lbs of salt. Stupid me.
     
  12. mrbrickman

    mrbrickman Senior Member
    from montana
    Messages: 138

    maybe its just me but bulk spreading is different than tailgate spreading with bagged salt, i used to do commerce banks and with the bulk i could never get away without doing a half a ton if not 3/4 ton (1000-1500 pounds) out of the v box.....yet when id bag apply with the other truck out of the tailgate spreader id do a decent melt job with 10-14 bags (50 pounders....so is 500-700 pounds total) just my opinion, has anyone else ever noticed that? id close my chute on the spreader more but end up with clogs cause of the salt rocks i get all the time
     
  13. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    a tailgate spreader is what i planned on using, maybe that's why our calculations are dramatically different. i figured 12000 sq ft per 100lbs YES?NO
     
  14. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228

    Is this the only job you are going to have lined up?
     
  15. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    no, i started plowing last year. I have 25 solid accounts for this year....but if this goes through, then i will probably drop several
     
  16. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228

    I think if you plan on taking this on by yourself you should look into renting a pc of equipment with a pusher on it and save the PU for the clean up.

    Time wise you will not keep to many happy customers by taking on to much.

    A place like that is going to expect you to have it done before the first guy that makes the coffee gets there and during the day if it snows to have the paths out of the lot cleared before the end of the day and a total plow at night.

    What happens when your plow breaks or truck is down?

    Sounds like it is a good lot to get just make sure you make yourself look good in the end or word of mouth could kill ya in the future.
     
  17. REAPER

    REAPER 2000 Club Member
    from 60050
    Messages: 2,228

    And,

    I don't know the prices down by you but by me that lot would not be under $3k a push /salting at a minimum.
     
  18. 3PLLC

    3PLLC Junior Member
    Messages: 19

    Yah....it's a struggle. I'm not sure what price to go with...My gut tells me $1800.00, but who knows. I like to get $135 an hour, so even if it take me 6-7 hours i still make out at my earlier post of 1200.00. !3000.00....possibly if more than 6 inches
     
  19. dmontgomery

    dmontgomery PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,238

    I always price salt based on 20 lbs, per 1000 sq ft., I also include a clause that states it can be more if conditions warrant more salt.... That works well for me around here....
     
  20. dmontgomery

    dmontgomery PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,238

    I price at < 6", ( 1 push)

    6" up to 12" (2 pushes)

    and > 12" (3 pushes)( this is very rare here.....)

    Derek