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help with driveway bid

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by mike9497, Nov 25, 2002.

  1. mike9497

    mike9497 Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    its a 15 ft X 30 ft two car garage so i will need to back plow a bit plus a 12 ft long sidewalk.its very flat no hills.i was thinking 20 per push.what do you guys think?does that sound right?
     
  2. Joey D

    Joey D Senior Member
    Messages: 280

    That sounds low for a walkway and the driveway. I would get 25-30 for it.
     
  3. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,223

    My base price for a 2 car is $30 then the walk would be extra maybe $5-10 .Don't sell yourself short doing walks will take up your time and your doing it for even less.Think of it this way would you plow another 2 car for like $10-15 if your getting $20 for one that you would shovel?Set your rates before you start to plow.
     
  4. paul soccodato

    paul soccodato Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    i agree with cat320, my base price for that size is about the same, (of course i would have to see it). the walk would be extra.
    i would say between $40-$50.
     
  5. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,223

    For house jobs i don't even do walks becuase you can't get the money for them unless you want to do them for less.So then you really have to charge like Paul said
     
  6. Ben

    Ben Member
    Messages: 62

    Cat320 is right. I would charge at least $50.00 you can all ways go lower if they dont like 50.00 but if you start low its harder to get more for it later.
     
  7. copandplower

    copandplower Member
    Messages: 44

    I gues location IS everything, most of the drives around here are 2 cars wide x 3 cars long. Everyone has a 2 car garage so its all back blading. The going rate is 10-15 dollars per trip. However, in your case I would try to figure how long it would take to shovel that walk, if it takes the same amount of time as it does to plow the drive then its an additional 10-15.
     
  8. mike9497

    mike9497 Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    well guys i`ve tried to follow the 30 dollar rule here.well i gave 3 bids today and they all said that i was nuts for charging 30 per push.these were 2 cars wide and 8 cars long.im going to guess that your market is way better than mine,because nobody around my area will pay that much for just one push.driveways are new for me cause i only use to take commercial stuff which is easyer for me to bid on and more fun aswell.but keep the input coming guys or i think im going to have to do something else this year to make money.
     
  9. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,223

    sorry to hear that Mike my freind gets even more than me for the same type i always thought that i was cheap but like you said in your area.
     
  10. mike9497

    mike9497 Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    yup i think 4 years of doing landscaping/plowing and getting no where.its just time to give it up and go back to driving a truck or being a mechanic which i find boring,but oh well i guess.know matter how hard i`ve tried its made know difference.still taking out loans every year to try to make a go out of this trade.just can`t seem to get a break.
     
  11. paul soccodato

    paul soccodato Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    it all depends on how you talk to the customer. if you DEMAND $30 dollars everytime you go there and drop your blade, then they probably wont hire you. you have to baby them! tell them what your going to do, how your going to do it, ask if they need to be clear by a certain time, tell them youll put down some sand or salt if you think they need it (a couple of handfulls, not a whole truckload). during a big storm, tell them you'll pass by every once in awhile to make sure they can get out. different customers have different needs, and some people just can't be satisfied. most people will look at you as a "kid with a plow truck". instead of a snowplow service. dont get discouraged, keep trying to set yourself up with a good client list and that will keep you busy.
     
  12. Snoworks

    Snoworks Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    Mike9497 - Don't give up yet. Here's what I would do. I would sign up the $20.00 driveway, try to drop the walkway service. Walkways kill you when it comes to minutes per hour, you will never get anyone to pay you what your getting paid per hour plowing.

    Then hit the rest of the area with flyers and try to get as many customers in this area as possible. By doing this you can reduce driving time, therefore increasing available plow time per snowfall. Hence you can increase rev. per storm and make up for the relatively low per plow fee. Make sure you give all customers the same pricing structure, with no walkway service.

    You have to compromise when starting out, therefore build your client base, all in the same area. I have some driveways that pay me $120.00 a push and some that pay me $25.00 a push. The cost differences are directly depending on size, loacation, and length of time customer has been contracted by our firm.

    But there was a time when the dollar was the sole reason why people went with my service. Ok maybe, you need avr. people skills to sell a contract as well, but you have to start somewhere. I don't think $20.00 is way low for just a driveway, especially if you have 30 of them in a row. Then it looks like easy money to me, the key is getting the 30 in a row.

    So I expect you to be out handing flyers this week, the threat of snow should help your cause. Make it threw this winter, and start the same process as above, say in September. In a couple of years, you WILL be able to raise your prices to new customers, while picking the prime driveways from you existing client base.

    Your situation is exactly how I started as far as plowing is concerned. After eight years of plowing, my per plow price avr. approx. $40.00 and my seasonal driveway price avr. approx. $325.00 per driveway

    In some markets it just takes time. Oh yeah, a little bit of money too!

    Good Luck!

    CGB

    Let it snow!!!!
     
  13. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    I agree with Snoworks about it taking time and money to get started. So far, every year, for three years, I'm losing money buying equipment, trucks etc. First year bought the plow. Second year, bought the sander and one ton truck. This year put a bunch of money into repairs so the trucks will hopefully last longer. But, looking at it over the next several years (2-3) I plan to be making substantial profit with route expansion, adding services etc.
     
  14. Snoworks

    Snoworks Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    Mick - Your never loosing money, its called investing!! LOL

    CGB:drinkup:

    Let it Snow!!!!
     
  15. Mick

    Mick PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Maine
    Messages: 5,546

    That's what I keep telling the wife:D . Mostly, she's really supportive but sometimes she has another name for it.
     
  16. Snoworks

    Snoworks Senior Member
    Messages: 466

    I know how you feel. I used to spend my money on fun things, like race sleds. My wife didn't like it, but she knew I had a passion for racing.

    Now, I buy a couple of new plows here, a couple of new trucks there, the problem is she dosn't understand that I have a new passion!!

    CGB