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Hauling snow

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Greenman2ooo, Jan 1, 2001.

  1. Greenman2ooo

    Greenman2ooo Banned
    Messages: 107

    I wondered if a one ton dump tuck is large enough to be productive hauling snow. I realize you wouldn't haul snow from large strip malls in something like that, but what about McDonald's size lots?

    For those of you who haul snow from smaller lots, what setups do you like? Example: one ton dump and Bobcat model XXX with bucket-- or larger truck with front end loader. Keep in mind I know very little about heavy equipment, so bear with me.

    Also, is the only time you haul the snow when it is physically in the way and taking up parking, or how do you determine need????
  2. Bud Winsor

    Bud Winsor Junior Member
    Messages: 3

    We truck snow after every storm to save parking spaces and cut down on freezing and thawing cycles. We've gone to 3 yard loaders and subed out 10 wheelers because our smaller trucks took forever. I wouldn't recommend a one ton unless you're charging by the hour!
  3. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    We haul snow, with our tri axels, and 7 Yard dump bodies. During the winter of 96 I tried using 1 tons to haul snow, even with a rack body, it just takes too long. They just don't haul enough.

    When we need extra trucks to haul, we call guys that sell fire wood. Most of them have never thought of hauling snow with there trucks, and hauling snow is better than letting it sit.

    As far as loading, yea a 3 yard bucket on a loader is the best. However compact loaders and even backhoes with a 1 yard bucket work well.

  4. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    John Allin discovered this a few years back, and we have used this approah as well. Sub the hauling to a refuse company that has roll offs. Usually one truck with 2-3 boxxes will save you alot of money, yet you can still charge for mutiple trucks. While one box is being emptied, the other 1-2 can be filled with the loader.
  5. SLSNursery

    SLSNursery PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 140

    Roll offs are a good idea

    For this past storm we used a couple of trucks including one multi-lift with a pretty large body. This time we didn't need to make many loads so I didn't use more than one dumpster, but we were ready to if the need arose. I have a tenant that keeps about 10 dumpster bodies in my yard on rotation. Today I lined him up for the next time we need to haul. He will lay out the bodies, and I can fill them at my convenience.

    In some of the tighter lots we do use 1 ton rack dumps. They work well and can easily be loaded with the 1 yard backhoe or a skidsteer. For major hauling - no way rely on the 1 tons, we call in tri-axles.
  6. Scag48

    Scag48 Member
    Messages: 32

    I don't know much about the subject but I do know that if you are gonna haul snow, you are going to need something of hefty size. Our city uses dump trucks (single and some double axle) to haul snow. They have a Deere TC44 toolcarrier with a snowblower on the front that has it's on engine. This thing is huge. They just shoot the snow right into the back of the truck. It works very well because they have the snow in piled up in the middle of a 2 lane road (in town) and just come along and put them into trucks. I don't know the size of the beds, though, but they don't hold alot of snow. They usually have to bring in 4 or 5 trucks per block to get all the snow cleared. I think that the snowblower is the best way to go. Forness (I think) makes them. They are like snowblower experts. The blower will be a heft price I'm sure but I think it will save time in the long run. Bobcat would also work well for smaller trucks. The Erskine improved snowblower for Bobcat would work just the same only smaller. Good Luck!

    [Edited by Scag48 on 01-03-2001 at 12:01 AM]
  7. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    Here we go again......

    Snowblowers work well for loading snow on the side of road. However we are talking about loading snow from parking lots.

    It requires a different mode of operation. The piles are taller, the piles are stuffed into corners. You can't drive into a corner pile of a lot and have a truck follow you. You need to use the bucket of the loader to load the truck.

  8. Skookum

    Skookum Member
    Messages: 59

    Do you guys have problems getting snow out of dump bodies?

    I have never hauled snow, or been part of such a process, but I watched two years ago, as our local city engineers hauled out snow from our downtown areas. I just happen to see the first few loads being dumped, or should I say, trying to be dumped. Beds were up all the way with 1/2 to 3/4 snow still in beds. The next time I seen the dumping process, they had 3 backhoes pulling the snow out of the beds as they tried to dump.

    Is this a typical problem, or just par for our local civil servants?
  9. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Most trucking co's have heated bodies so that isnt an issue. with the smaller trucks or unheated bosies, as long as the snow doesnt sit in it for a while, and they dont pack it in real tight, it should come right out.
  10. eskals

    eskals Member
    Messages: 40

    Alright, can I ask a stupid question?

    Where do you guys put all this snow that you are hauling away? And how far do you have to travel to reach the dump area?

  11. JCurtis

    JCurtis Banned
    Messages: 862

    We haul snow away from our hospital to maximize parking.
    We began hauling away starting Saturday night, and finished last night(well, finished as best we can since this is a hospital, and we never have empty parking lots. We could and should do more, but no one wants to be inconvenienced by parking too far away from the complex's entrance.

    Over the weekend we just dumped at a city park, the other night the city began making us weigh in at the waste treatment plant before dumping.

    Each truck carried approximately 7 tons of snow. I don't have all the figures yet, but I would guess that we hauled close to 500 to 600 tons of snow out of here.Distance traveled from site to scale and then to park and back to hospital is probably 8 miles round trip.
  12. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    If you can find a truck in my area with a heated body I'll be amazed,not even the local asphalt company uses them.We just haul snow until the amount stuck in the truck is a problem, scrape it out with a backhoe and the go back to work.We do all of our snow hauling ourselves with two 17' foot macks a `13 ft Mack and a 10 ft gmc.The snow sticks all the time we just do the best we can.
  13. Greenkeepers

    Greenkeepers Member
    Messages: 42

    How do you guys charge for the truck/loader on the job. I have a new Bobcat 773 that I bought and this is our first year of plowing. We havn't run into this a lot but I can forsee it happening. Thanks.
  14. paul

    paul PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 151

    We have to haul snow regularly, Our condo's don't have enough room for us to put on the ends of their parking areas without blocking sight lines for trafic control. Because it's a tight area we use one tons and skid loaders to move piles when they get too big. We charge by the hour,minimum 3 hrs. If the snow piles get way too big we call in semis and a 2 or 3 yd loader, snow then gets hauled to a local quarry. reason that they some times want the weight of the snow is to figure out how much water they will end up with so they don't have flooding.
  15. Ian McKay

    Ian McKay Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    Sticky dump bodies

    we're having a heck of a time while hauling snow away from site, to the point where it is really inefficient due to the snow sticking in the dump body. I'm hoping there are some tricks of the trade out there to make that dump liner less of an attractant for snow.
  16. plowjockey

    plowjockey PlowSite.com Sponsor
    Messages: 622

    I would think that pre-treating the inside of the dump bed with a liquid de-icer (no I'm not getting into a brand here) and that might help keep the snow from freezing to the inside of the bed.

  17. landman

    landman Senior Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 185

    Plowjockey just took my idea! When we have to move snow we sprinkle a rock salt/ calcium mix from a bucket. It takes a minute before you load the truck. but saves time on the unload, the snow slides right out.
  18. digger242j

    digger242j Senior Member
    Messages: 672

    A guy who once worked for me also once worked for the road department of Fort Kent, Maine. That's about as far northeast as you can get and still be in the USA. He told me they used to spray their dump beds with water so they had a good coating of ice all over. Supposedly the snow slides off the ice. I've never had the opportunity to try it....

    OBRYANMAINT PlowSite.com Veteran
    from ohio
    Messages: 534

    spray some diesl in there before you load should keep the inside pretty slippery.......thats what the asphalt guys use quite a bit in my area.........works good in the salt truck too
  20. dan deutekom

    dan deutekom Member
    Messages: 82

    I always broom a gallon or two of deisel around the box before I haul snow. Stops the sticking during the whole round of hauling without needing to be reapplied.