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Goose neck trailer to pull a backhoe - Thoughts

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by MatthewG, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
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    Just bought a backhoe and have been looking into options to pull it, since my little trailer wont cut it - obviously.

    My big dump is in my opinion not reliable enough, and I don't want to buy an air brake backhoe trailer

    I have been looking into the 25' goose neck 20K Lb backhoe trailers

    Seem reasonably priced both new and used, Id sell my little trailer and I could then haul the skid-steer and pushers in one trip

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/321035888896?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/281035402347?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
     
  2. tuney443

    tuney443 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,847

    Both trailers look fine. More importantly,what are you using for the horsey?
     
  3. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
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    Might buy a new/used F450 in the spring if the winter is good, I think this is the last year for the 7.3 350, time for someone else to to enjoy her, we will see.

    I see guys pulling these with 1 tons
     
  4. tuney443

    tuney443 PlowSite.com Addict
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    That would make a good combo Matthew.Very glad you're not one of those who think a pickup can tow a loaded 10 ton trailer legally and more importantly--SAFELY.
     
  5. Mark13

    Mark13 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,737

    How big of a machine you looking to move? We put a Case 580 extend a hoe on a 20+5 gooseneck and it's pretty tight. A 25+5 would make a big difference, a 30+5 would be even better.


    A 450? Heck I'd pull that with my pickup. :D
     
  6. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
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  7. Mark13

    Mark13 PlowSite Fanatic
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    I didn't say it was legal, I just said I'd do it lol
     
  8. peteo1

    peteo1 PlowSite.com Addict
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    Hope its a small backhoe. By the time you subtract the weight of the trailer that doesn't leave you much. My guess is that gooseneck weighs in around 5k which only leaves 15k for equipment. Kinda slim for a backhoe Imo.
     
  9. goel

    goel PlowSite.com Addict
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    Whats your backhoe? Mine weighs almost 19k lbs.
     
  10. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
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    1996 Case 580L I thought the specs said about 16,000 Lbs

    Doesnt have to be a 20K trailer, lots out there 20-25k Lbs
     
  11. Mark13

    Mark13 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,737

    You can also get a trailer spec'd with 12k axles to increase the weight capacity. Along with electric over hydraulic (disc) brakes that make stopping easier as well.

    Also depending on how picky you want to get you could still put a 17k machine on a 20k trailer and be legal if you tongue/pin weight is making up the difference.


    You will have to watch when buying a trailer what the empty weight is, my 23+5 is 8,000lbs empty. I've seen some in the 5-6k range and some heavier then mine.
     
  12. peteo1

    peteo1 PlowSite.com Addict
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    That sounds about right for a 580. We have one at my job that wieghs in around 17k but it has a few extras on it.
     
  13. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
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    well if it's just an L it should be comming in around 12-14K they are the lighter of the case backhoe family of 580l the super l and the 590l.
    with the new trucks and engine brakes and built in brake controlers pluse the HP very doable for a pickup to tow a small 580 long as you don't exceed the MFG's weight raiting for truck and trailer leagal or truck wise there shouldn't be a problem. way back when i would say your nuts to pull even goosneck with a pick up but things have changed. you still need to have your class A to drive it .
     
  14. tuney443

    tuney443 PlowSite.com Addict
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    Just keep in mind when a manufacturer calls their trailer a 10 ton trailer[or any other rated by the ton trailer] ,that doesn't always mean you can load 20,000 lbs. on her. Some companies include the empty[tare] weight onto the GVW of the trailer.
     
  15. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
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    I found my book on the 580L lightest configuration is 12,575 the heaviest is 15,244. now i guess you can't account for special buckets or attachments but this is for a 1997 model year

    the supper L is 13,283 to 15764 and the 590 is 16,166 to 17,522
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2012
  16. IC-Smoke

    IC-Smoke Senior Member
    Messages: 672

    Go with a 25+5 Your backhoe from the bucket to rear of the tires will be around 19', then you let the hoe down and your hanging off the back of the trailer. With the extra room of the 25+5 you will be able to get more of the weight on the trailer axles to lighten your tongue weight

    3500srw dodge 4:10 rear, 35'+5' load max trailer gvwr 21K, Case 480E weighs in at 12K

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  17. 90plow

    90plow Senior Member
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    Why not buy a tag trailer for your single axle? It could be reliable enough for the amount of towing youll do. I agree the pickup can pull it just if the brakes malfunction which is very possible with electric brakes of any kind the pickup wont have the brakes to stop it alone.. Its alot of weight for a pickup.
     
  18. tuney443

    tuney443 PlowSite.com Addict
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    I completely agree but Mathew knows best for his operation. I need my dump truck on almost every job so it's a natural for me to pull my 10 ton er off a pintle hook.Even with air brakes on the horse,I like electric brakes on the trailer so occasionally I can pull it with my 3500 either empty or sometimes with something light on it like a car.I also like plenty of azz under me when I tow heavy.Just 1 bad wire on those electric brakes with a pickup pulling and you will definitely get some serious anal puckering.
     
  19. MatthewG

    MatthewG PlowSite.com Addict
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    Eric I don't think the single axle is reliable enough IMO to pull that weight. I have an opportunity other than pulling my skid and hoe to make money with a goose neck
     
  20. 90plow

    90plow Senior Member
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    I think we need to discuss your buisness ventures further. How bout we get together in atlantic city on dec. 22nd? Seriously though electric brakes are scary sometimes. I think the bigger the gooseneck the better. You thinking hot shot hauling or just people in general paying you to move stuff?
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2012