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good business manors or illegal??

Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by bdbwtie1, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. bdbwtie1

    bdbwtie1 Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    Just curious what other business professionals and legal or not legal opinions are about some conflicts with an area business.

    1. Deducting pay from an employees check for items or damages they,the employer, feels at will they are responible for.
    2. If a client calls and complains for what ever reason a deduction being made from there check for the complaint.
    3. Not having checks ready on pay day. ie. Owners gone on vacation, employees dont get paid till they are back. 1 day or a week late.
    4. Holding and employees check because employeer feels as employee is not being a good enough Christian in their mind. weeks and counting now.
  2. Plowtoy

    Plowtoy Senior Member
    Messages: 929

    Well, I dont know for sure, but I dont think they can do item 1 or 4. Not sure about item 2, but I would suspect they cant do that either.
    Item 3 = Not sure if they are breaking any laws, but the company I work for pays twice monthly, and if that day falls on a weekend, it automaticly goes to the following monday (even with direct deposit). I pay my subs once a month and as soon as I have enough in the bank to clear their checks. Most of the time, they have their money with in the first couple of days
  3. mulcahy mowing

    mulcahy mowing Senior Member
    Messages: 718

    1) Warn them and if you can't fix the problem let them go. Be a business man and suck up the loss. That is an inherent risk of what we do. Never ever would that be ok by me.

    2) No you shouldn't do that, again be a business man and make it right yourself and/ or bring the employee to make it right.

    3) you send a late fee if you are not paid on time why would you ever do that to an employee who you depend on. especially if its because your on vacation be a professional. Direct deposit is a good answer for this.

    4) illegal they will probably be taking you to court and days later be taking all your things. be a professional.
  4. bdbwtie1

    bdbwtie1 Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    Ok on item number 4. How do we prove this is in court? Its going on 4 weeks this check has not been seen. The party has moved on from the company and this was supposed to be there last due check. The employer says now he wants them to pray about there unchristian like behaviour (made a facebook status complaining about not getting it at 2 weeks) for 2 days and come back in(2nd trip) and apologize in person before he can have his check.
  5. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,107

    In Canada all 4 are illegal...

    Your department of labor does have some good reading though.


    I would ask for my money (in person) and show up prepared as to how this would turn out if he /she wants to butt heads and involve the department of labor.
  6. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 583

    I think they are all illegal. I know they are all immoral. I think you need to hire better or manage better.
  7. bdbwtie1

    bdbwtie1 Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    Just to clarify this is not my business or my employees. Its a different company that is doing this to their employees of whom I am associated with.
  8. Wilnip

    Wilnip Senior Member
    Messages: 583

    Good. I redirect my statement to them. Lol
  9. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    I would not be working for you if you tried that sh!t on me. And your driveway will be full of snow in the morning too
  10. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,990

    First Manors are places people live. Manners refers to their social practices.

    Second all are illegal and the employee(s) could be entitled to punitive awards for any improperly withheld amounts. Go to labor relations, take your proof the state will help and possibly prosecute.
  11. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,216

    I will go with #3 , #9, #10
  12. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,538

    Winner winner chicken dinner. Thumbs Up You screw with an employee, their pay, their religion, etc. you're opening up the door to the state dept of labor, and they can be downright nasty! :eek: In MN, improperly withheld pay gets awarded by the court at double the original amount.
  13. Plowtoy

    Plowtoy Senior Member
    Messages: 929

    Does all of this still apply if the "employees" are contracted labor?? I wonder if there are parts of the story missing
  14. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,990

    I think they would fail to met the IRS requirments for a Sub Contractor based on these two statements

  15. bdbwtie1

    bdbwtie1 Junior Member
    Messages: 13

    Nope non of these employees are contracted labors. All are full time employees with years for this employer.
  16. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,990

    They could have a LOT of money due them if this has been going on for years
  17. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    Actually, deductions can be made from an employee's paycheck for either 1 or 2, as long as the employee has signed a form allowing the deduction and it won't reduce the employee's pay for that period below minimum wage.

    3 and 4 are very, very illegal. And stupid. And immoral. And unChristian. It isn't the employee's problem the owner is on vacation. Doesn't sound like the owner is anymore Christian than the allegations he is throwing at the employee. Tell him this isn't church. If the guy did the job, pay him.

    Not to mention, this employer is an idiot. Just asking for all kinds of lawsuits.
  18. maverjohn

    maverjohn Senior Member
    Messages: 902

    I'm with you Grandview !! I'd be the truck behind him to add more snow !! A really good company will take care of its employee's and train them to be better.
  19. Glenn Lawn Care

    Glenn Lawn Care Senior Member
    Messages: 552

    I think that is all illegal.