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Going Rate for Sub's in Southern New England?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Nozzleman, Oct 10, 2014.

  1. Nozzleman

    Nozzleman Senior Member
    Messages: 267

    I'm looking into subcontracting myself this winter with a local company. I live on the Mass/RI border with most work in RI. Whats the going rate for a 3/4 ton truck with a regular 8' plow? I've been told most of my work would be commercial lot's. Price is somewhat negotiable.
     
  2. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,987

    60$ - 75 $
     
  3. abbe

    abbe Senior Member
    from RI
    Messages: 719

    plow only no sander anywhere from 55 up to 65
     
  4. Sabsan84

    Sabsan84 Senior Member
    Messages: 115

    city or towns pay avg $75hr for a 3/4ton
     
  5. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    dam , you boys sure do sell yourselves cheap up north . we couldn't start a truck for less than 125. hr.
    it be cheaper to keep it parked ...think about it
     
  6. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,933

    I find that a little hard to believe
     
  7. zlssefi

    zlssefi Senior Member
    Messages: 116

    I think im moving to philly!
     
  8. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370


    And other guys from PA are saying there getting half that. Consider yourself lucky.
     
  9. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    believe it there champ . no reason to tell tales . we do this for a living , not for beer money and fun .
    For example ;
    A company without a clearly established value proposition is a ‘commoditized business.’ Commodities cannot charge more for the product or service. Next time you’re in the grocery store, stroll down the coffee aisle. You’ll see hundreds of product choices, all priced about the same. So, how do they try to differentiate to grab the customer’s attention? They use fancy packaging and a lower price. Then, they put their product on sale, thus lowering the price further. Then they run a special and give away some of their product, thus lowering the value further. Do you see the trend? Who will survive? Do you think the lowest price is the coffee roaster that packages the best beans, roasts them carefully in small batches, and delivers the product as fresh as possible? Nope…And why not? Because they are stuck in the lowest bidder mentality and they can not afford to produce a quality product or good brand experience. Now, I may be exaggerating here a little, but I think you can get the gist of what I’m saying. You have to KNOW what your true Value Proposition is before you can communicate it to prospective customers
     
  10. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,987

    The op is just subbing out a truck! The market will determine price.And that's what it is in southern new England, 65$ hr is the in the middle. This isn't what the contract holder charges,2 to 3 times that.
     
  11. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    LUCKY? its the rate here . these guys above soon find out what they're really worth when a blizzard moves in . they are the first ones bellyaching about , " im not pushing all that for 65 hr." ,KNOWING NOW THEY ARE IN DEMAND , therefore they try to
    renegotiate (RENEGGING) on the phone with their clients , their clients hang up on their ace , resulting in both parties losing . Contract or not ! most small guys dont care about a contract, they knew in the back of their mind when they lowballed it just to get work , that they could or would run when the sheet hits the fan . IM NOT SAYING ALL SMALL OUTFITS DO THIS !

    Yep , that's where the bigboys come in and name their price . iv seen
    this happen many many times . its really what we thrive for , BIG STORMS.payup

    it separates the men from the boys:laughing:
     
  12. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,987

    Yep , that's where the bigboys come in and name their price . iv seen
    this happen many many times . its really what we thrive for , BIG STORMS.payup

    it separates the men from the boys:laughing:[/QUOTE]

    Considering Philly gets an average of 23" of snow per season what is a big storm? 4":laughing:
     
  13. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    ITS called middleman or snowbroker (scum) . they are theives . if we cant find our own work , im surely not giving away the farm just to pay the notes on the equipment . its cheaper to let them sit , really .
    wheres the profit when your working at a cost ??? what happens when a trans burns up , or driveshaft drops , or your cat catches fire and your roasting marshmellows on the side of the road ?
    LOL. you may say insurance kicks in . do you realize how much LEGIT snow removal is?
    ever hear of w/c . I bid against companies with massive overhead . I know their bottom lines and when to walk away , its not rocket science if you've been in business for years .

    again , I may be having a conversation with solo operators here . fine . but explain yourself b4 throwing stones :laughing:
     
  14. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    Considering Philly gets an average of 23" of snow per season what is a big storm? 4":laughing:[/QUOTE]

    here .......eat crow son . hows it taste . boy you guys are entertaining !:laughing:

    2013-14

    1. Dec 8, 2013 8.6″
    2. Dec. 10, 2013 2.2″
    3. Dec. 14, 2013 .3″
    4. Dec 17, 2013 .1″
    5. Jan 2-3, 2014 9″
    6. Jan 21, 2014 13.5″
    7. Jan 25-26, 2014 2.4″
    8. Jan 29, 2014 1.0″
    9. Feb 3, 2014 3.5″
    10. Feb 9, 2014 2.7″
    11. Feb 12-13, 2014 11.5″
    12. Feb 15, 2014 .6″
    13. Feb 18, 2014 3.0″

    TOTAL 68.4″
    Third SNOWIEST Winter Ever

    Snowiest Philadelphia Winters
    1. 2009 – 2010 78.7″
    2. 1995 – 1996 65.5″
    3. 2013 – 2014 68.4″
     
  15. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,933

    Your missing the whole point there ace
    You are the contractor, he is not. A sub doesn't get contracts, talk to clients, etc. As you just stated they do. Sorry you are wrong.
     
  16. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    here .......eat crow son . hows it taste . boy you guys are entertaining !:laughing:

    2013-14

    1. Dec 8, 2013 8.6″
    2. Dec. 10, 2013 2.2″
    3. Dec. 14, 2013 .3″
    4. Dec 17, 2013 .1″
    5. Jan 2-3, 2014 9″
    6. Jan 21, 2014 13.5″
    7. Jan 25-26, 2014 2.4″
    8. Jan 29, 2014 1.0″
    9. Feb 3, 2014 3.5″
    10. Feb 9, 2014 2.7″
    11. Feb 12-13, 2014 11.5″
    12. Feb 15, 2014 .6″
    13. Feb 18, 2014 3.0″

    TOTAL 68.4″
    Third SNOWIEST Winter Ever

    Snowiest Philadelphia Winters
    1. 2009 – 2010 78.7″
    2. 1995 – 1996 65.5″
    3. 2013 – 2014 68.4″
    [/QUOTE]

    So you list the 3 snowiest seasons in history... What's the 30 year average snowfall for your area?
     
  17. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    9 thru 12 were good . then 13-14 . hammered . rodger that ?
     
  18. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,933

    So what do you pay your drivers slick?
     
  19. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,933

    Whats the rate then
     
  20. Citytow

    Citytow Senior Member
    from phila
    Messages: 548

    don't you have fuel filters to change or flags to clip on your plow guides ?

    what I pay is none of your concern........

    these are basic rates to follow in the industry .

    3/4 ton 4x4 w/8' min. & bulk spreader AND CELL PH..........a buck to a buck and a quarter w/ a minimum of 2 hours (portal to portal)

    not f150 , atvs or snowblowers.