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Going rate for snowplow accounts

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Strongmd, Dec 1, 2000.

  1. Strongmd

    Strongmd Member
    Messages: 43

    A small local company is selling their plowing route. It consists of 90 residential plow customers. He's had most of them for over 5 years. Is anyone familiar with how much they're worth?
    Forever Green
  2. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    I have always been weary of buying routes. Some can be sxpensive and there is no real gurantee that you will keep all the accounts. Also,I would ask to see the accounts and make sure that you can handle them. Find out what the accounts bring in. Will you need to purchase more equipment? These things must be thought of before you spend the money on the route.
  3. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    We buy plow routes often.

    We pay the equivilant of 2 plowings for the route. 1st payment is due 30 days after the first plowable snowfall. 2nd payment is due 30 days after the second plowable snowfall. This is payable only on those accounts we 1) elect to retain, or 2) that stay with us.

    In a market that gets little snowfall, maybe only pay for one plowable event.

    Might seem cheap... but buying another's route is risky business all around. However, I will say that if you get the right route (with commercial customers), it can pay off big time.

    We often keep the commercial accounts and sell off the residential accounts. Of course, we want the equivilant of 4 plowable events (in a market that gets 25 events regularly). Gotta make money on the resale !!

    [Edited by John Allin on 12-01-2000 at 07:50 PM]
  4. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    It all depends on HOW CLOSE THEY ARE. And how much they pay.

    They could be worth $15,000 in the right scenario.

    In the wrong scenario, they might not be worth anything.

    What do they pay/year?
    How long does it take?
    How man MILES to drive through the route?
    ~Post an answer to those questions and I'll post a value based on the residential route sales I've been involved with.

    90 driveways? What did the guy do the rest of the night? ;)
  5. Doug406

    Doug406 Member
    Messages: 65

    where do you find them?

    Are contractors coming to you John or do you advertise these buyouts?
  6. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    No.... they walk in. Word is out that we do this, so we draw them. We get alot of local press because of our size, so most of the small guys know that they can come to us if they're getting out of the biz for some reason. Same with landscape. The deal is different, and we usually buy them to get their people and/or equipment more than their accounts.
  7. Strongmd

    Strongmd Member
    Messages: 43

    John, can you give a quick profile of what the snow side of your business is like?
    Matt Strong
  8. BRL

    BRL PlowSite.com - Veteran
    Messages: 1,277

    Hmmm.... None of the SIMA Mags I have contain a contractor profile for John's company. In fact I only saw one profile. Maybe there should be a profile in each issue, and maybe we can start with John in the next one? I think I've seen his company profiled in a different mag. but I can't find it right now. Do I remember correctly?
  9. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    go to http://www.timesnews.com
    that will bring you to another site, but its basically an Erie newspaper on line. On the left, in the search box, type "allin" and you will read a profile on Allin Co from last sunday.

    PINEISLAND1 PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 664

    Thanks Dino!

    That is really impressive John. I knew I respected you, just didn't realize how much!!
  11. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    I wondered how you knew all you did when we spoke the last time. You had too much detail to have gotten it from the Symposiums. I didn't realize that was on the net.
  12. John DiMartino

    John DiMartino PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,154

    John.you are the man,that was a good write up,and well deserved Im sure,congrats on your success,it gives us smaller guys something to shoot for.
  13. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Thank you for the kind words.
    I'm sure you all know just how much hard work it takes, given what I know about all that participate on this forum.
  14. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    You have to be carefull these days. In one shape or another evrything is on the web.
  15. Strongmd

    Strongmd Member
    Messages: 43

    I read the whole article. CRAZY stuff. Very impressive. John, it said The Allin Cos. do about $1.3 in snow each year, does that include the snow management group? How are you able to coordinate jobs like the bank w/1300 sites???
  16. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    That figure ($1.3 mil) is for snow revenue the Erie market.
    Snow Management Group (SMG) should do (roughly) $6 mil.
    Total 2001 projected revenue for all companies we own/run is just under $10 mil. at it's current level. However, we expect that our total company revenues will increase about 50% more for next year, if all goes as planned.

    As for co-ordinating SMG and our efforts at establishing ourselves as a national snowplowing contractor ???
    ..... oh no.... can't tell you all my secrets, yet.
  17. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    ...less than 15% of your revenue come from your home market.
  18. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Almost 30%.
    We have a landscape design-build business including irrigation installation and maintenance, a chemical lawn care (fertilizing) business, a landscape maintenance business, a holiday decorating business and a real estate property management company (commercial and residential income property rentals) that makes up $2.2 mil. bringing the local dollars to $3.5 (roughly).
  19. jrblawncare

    jrblawncare Senior Member
    Messages: 121

    John,what a great article!It gives us a bit of background on you and your co.My problem is selling my services here,no one wants to think about snow & ice management until after the fact...not sure if Mr.Hillenmeyer had the same problem when they started dealing with this side of the business,of course,he is in city and I'm kind of out aways.Maybe its because I'm the "new guy in town" Its just a hard sell here at least so far.Thanks JRB
  20. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Hillenmeyer's sells snow all year round. It's a mindset and an attitude. Once you get there, it won't leave you.