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Going 100% liquid

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Brian Young, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Just got back from a local salt distributor (buying a pallet of 50lb bags) for an up coming storm (hopefully) this week. The price went from 195.00 for a pallet to 230.00 in a week! WTF. A pallet of 50's usually lasts us about 3 storms with doing walks too. We just bought a 525 gallon tank for our dump and now buying a 300 gallon for our other truck. Sucks to keep spending money but a new 300 gallon tank on a skid built for it is $700.00 with freight (ouch) but to fill it costs $55.00 and covers about the same area as a pallet of rock salt. I'm thinking the tank will be paid off with in 5 storms or so. Even doing liquid on walkways, screw these prices.
     
  2. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    What are you spraying?
     
  3. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Just Sodium Chloride (salt brine) so far its worked very well for us, and especially if you pre- treat which is the way your supposed to use it. Using it on sidewalks will be new to us but should have the same results. Now just have to put together a reel and hose with nozzle. Luckily I have a source book with every little gadget for putting together a liquid system.
     
  4. snyderandco

    snyderandco Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    i was looking into going all liquid. my spreader is in need of replacing and can get a elec liquid spreader for same price. still tryin to get more feedback on it before i say goodbye to salt
     
  5. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Luckily there is a local company that supply's the liquid and all the parts to make your own. Ive seen quite a few companies doing more liquid this year. Its pretty simple, there are a few do's and dont's. It wont burn off 2" of snow very efficiently but it will blow through 1/2" like nothing. It isn't very effective trying to burn off freezing rain,(but it will, just have to use quite a bit more), but if you pre treat it seems to be good until it washes off. Like I said before, the cost is 1/3 if that compared to a skid of bagged rock salt. I'm not saying it will replace rock salt all together, but like I said before if you pre treat and follow up after plowing or shoveling you could have the same results and pay less out of pocket for bagged rock salt.
     
  6. ConnorExum

    ConnorExum Senior Member
    Messages: 282

    what if you heat the Sodium Chloride solution first? I've read that works well when you want apply the liquid deicers to thick ice or compressed snow.
     
  7. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    I always thought if there was a way to heat it efficiently it would work way faster. I know when Ive had too much coffee and needed to go.....that heated de icer works pretty well! :laughing:
     
  8. snyderandco

    snyderandco Junior Member
    Messages: 11

    Where do you live in pa i may have to go check this compnay locally for you
     
  9. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    We are located in Erie Pa
     
  10. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    What percent salt is the liquid?
     
  11. NICHOLS LANDSCA

    NICHOLS LANDSCA PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,303

    You need to switch to bulk salt, it ends up being around $.035/lb delivered
     
  12. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    I know the prices are pretty close if you use bulk salt. Its just the bagged I am done with. Ive delt with bulk a couple years ago, trying to keep it from freezing up in the bed, refilling bags to give to sidewalk guys, then the bags freezing up etc. honestly it was kinda a real pita. Liquid never freezes up, is readily available, clean to work with (just back up the the filling station and start a pump). etc. I weighed both options and FOR US liquid was a better way to go. We just use a gravity system and it works great so the only cost I have in the 525 gallon tank is the tank, electric valve, some fittings and hose and spreader bar...about $1500-1600.00
     
  13. NW Snow Removal

    NW Snow Removal Senior Member
    Messages: 533

    we tried liquid on sidewalks last year. if you have very few locations you can maybe make it work, but I will never try it again. Treated salt is the way to go for SW. Your market is different though, and if you need a storage tank let me know. We are selling our 6400 gallon and our 300 turbo turf gallon sprayer.
     
  14. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    I would be interested in the storage container but shipping would probably be too much. Thats one of our biggest problems, is storage. Its only a 15 minute trip to fill up but it would be nice to just fill up when ever you needed to. Why didnt the liquid work for you?
     
  15. NW Snow Removal

    NW Snow Removal Senior Member
    Messages: 533

    yea shipping would be tough. it does fit on a large equipment trailer and its only 600lbs but its so wide that you can't go on highway without an escort vehicle, but it is easily towed by any truck. liquid didn't work for us because of many reasons, but the main one was dealer support and how crappy it was when things didn;t work as they had promised. We had booms freezing in 0degree weather, 30 vboxes frozen with treated salt in them, slush forming in our storage container. basically they said the liquid we were sold was 'contaminated' in shipping and we are still awaiting refund from the manufacturer magic salt. Now we let our bulk salt supplier treat it for us and we pay a lil more per ton and I never have to deal with any of the BS again. minus getting my refund from my dealer. I still call weekly and they say the same thing. We are waiting for the load to arrive from manufacturer and then we will credit you. talked to them at SIMA they say no worries, but I am still waiting. I hate magic salt. as far as liquid on SW the residual effect gets diluted too fast and doesn't hold up during continuous snowfall as long as if you throw out extra salt pellets. As well as the abrasive quality of salt. Liquid actually makes it a lil slippery without the salt there for abrasiveness.
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2010
  16. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Yeah, you def. got a bad batch. I never had any liquid freeze up. We were using it last year in about -10 F. We had to use a bit more to get it to work but it never froze.
     
  17. NW Snow Removal

    NW Snow Removal Senior Member
    Messages: 533

    I edited a lil to the post after the initial posting.
     
  18. blizzardsnow

    blizzardsnow Member
    Messages: 83

    wind?

    I'm looking into a liquid sprayer for next season. We do mostly commercial lots though and one that can do wide coverage is a must. I found one at Metro Melt in Detroit that looks pretty amazing (says it can fire 40' wide). My question is, how bad does wind effect the spray? Around here, if its snowing, its blowing.
     
  19. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    Most sprayers use streamer nozzles and if the winds blowing so is the stream. I have boomless nozzles that can spray 20-60' and stream nozzles set up to spray 25' off of a 9' boom but here again doesn't matter if there boomless or streamer if its blowing so is the liquid.
     
  20. doo-man

    doo-man Senior Member
    Messages: 387

    can you post some pics of your system and maybe pm me your secret supplier? I am looking into building one also !!

    Thanks