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Garage, lease or buy?

Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by Hawkfan12, Dec 27, 2007.

  1. Hawkfan12

    Hawkfan12 Junior Member
    from ia
    Messages: 7

    New to the site and love it. Just wondering the pros and cons of each. What do most of you do?


    Thanks
     
  2. andrewlawnrangr

    andrewlawnrangr Senior Member
    Messages: 339

    hey and welcome
    i rent . but soon i will be buying. i will be buying befor i own a house (22 yrs old) i am goin to be in the Landscape business for the rest of my life so why hand money away and plus i can rent my property out to other ppl and help pay the morgage you have to look at what your plans are and what size area u need. good luck
     
  3. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    I think he is reffering to trucks. I buy mine. No leasing for plowing
     
  4. Green Grass

    Green Grass PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,573

    We are building a new building in the spring a 60' by 80' shop
     
  5. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    Try changing your title to FACILITY, or GARAGE rather than Shop. You might get some better results. Happy New Year.
     
  6. Hawkfan12

    Hawkfan12 Junior Member
    from ia
    Messages: 7

    Yeah that title isnt very clear. I was speaking of a shop/garage. How do you change the tiltle.

    Thanks and happy new year too.
     
  7. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Start a new thread
     
  8. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    Your best choice is to buy but some areas are to expensive when your first starting out. If your going to rent, get something very reasonable and save your money.
     
  9. Dstosh

    Dstosh Senior Member
    Messages: 534

    I am kind of in the same position as you. the building I am looking at is for rent and forsale. At the end of the day, You dont have anything to show for all the money you pissed away for rent. If I can get a mortgage approved, I'd Like to buy. I'll settle for rent though because I need some space.
     
  10. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    im in the same situation right now. i dont have room at my house for my backup truck and plow and all of my hand tools and such i use. im having trouble locating any space to rent and have only found one space and they want $800 a month to rent it, and in my area thats a little bit high... its not even that large of a building.
     
  11. MIDTOWNPC

    MIDTOWNPC PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,452

    Easier to buy a house first. In most cases you will easily be approved for a house mortage. A commercial mortage is harder to get beacsue they want proof that you can afford to pay the mortage ontop of your existing. WIth a house its like ok well you pay $600 a month rent now and you can prove your income so bam why not own a house for $600 a month mortage payment, or whatever. I would buy a house that will little effort you can fix up and either refiniance for a small lump sum that you could then use as a down payment for a shop or sell the house and pocket the cash and keep looking.

    If you want to hear my story just let me know and I will show you how I bought a junk property for $235 000 with $15 grand down and turned it into a property valued today at $799 000
     
  12. Charles

    Charles Moderator Staff Member
    Messages: 256

    No need to start a new thread now. Title changed for you
     
  13. Gicon

    Gicon Senior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 989

    I rent at the garage pictured on my website behind the trucks. www.ShrewsburySnowPlowing.com Garage is 80' x 100', 10 doors, all 14'. Two bays are specific wash bays with the floor pitched into floor drains. Its worth every penny to me becuase in the winter time you always have a warm place to go melt down your trucks and clean em up.
     
  14. Hawkfan12

    Hawkfan12 Junior Member
    from ia
    Messages: 7

    Im all ears
     
  15. Hawkfan12

    Hawkfan12 Junior Member
    from ia
    Messages: 7

    Thank you very much Charles
     
  16. MIDTOWNPC

    MIDTOWNPC PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,452

    First I read a book called rich dad poor dad. It woke me up. Then I found a run down property that had been for sale for a long time. I went to the land registry office and for $15 I found out that the owner, had NO mortage, meaning he owned that property out right and was in no real hurry to sell it sort of speak however, it was forsale. So I check my budget and it was... none. However I knew that the place had one tenant that paid rent and had been there for years. So his money was good and he was loyal and didnt want to move otherwise he would have. I wanted to collect rent one day in my life. So I put an offer in to kick this owners tires a bit and see how he responded. I had oh about $10 000 available and more comming if I sold some things. My offer was $0 down, Owner holds 100% of the mortage for 5 years at 5% and I pay him interest only on a monthly basis with no principal. It was hard enough to convince a real estate agent to present the offer however he did and the guy signed it back at I beleive it was $50 000 down 8% interest only montly and $40 000 every year in principal. I came back with my same offer and it folded. I now knew a little about the guy. He was retired, wanted a little spending money kinda liked the idea of getting an interest cheque each month, but didnt see it my way yet. I let the property sit over the winter, all the pipes froze in the carwash, the snow was never plowed and I found out the roof leaked. My kind of fixer upper :) I saved, convinced my dad that if I could hook this one that we did the work, I fronted the materials, he put in the labour and once I got it on its feet he would get paid. That was his loan to me, the sweat. I put an offer in around spring, $15 000 down, 6%, $235 instead of $285 and interst only with yearly principal payments of $20 000 for a 5 year term. He signed it back wanting more down, and more per year, i signed it back same deal and told the agent that if he signs it back again I want to meet at the table with him, the agents put us togeather, He had done his reasearch about me, knew I had good street credit with very little money in the bank but built my business from empty boxes, had paid rent for 5 years to the most ruthless guy in town and that I had a father as a carpenter which was my ace. I told him he could change the price, change the interest rate, but couldnt change the money down or the structure of the idea. He then understood I was cash poor, equity rich. He signed the deal and this is why... he knew the tenant he had would be paying enought to me now to basically cover the payment to him, he knew I could fix it, he knew one day I could move there and save my own rent, he knew with improvements I could get a conventional mortage however now I couldnt cause I was so young and my income was low. He wanted out, it was too much work for him, he didnt want to wait till it was worth nothing. He saw himself in me a bit.
     
  17. MIDTOWNPC

    MIDTOWNPC PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,452

    Sorry I Dont Get To Tell This Often

    I raised money for the closing costs and started plannin out what I wanted to do. I got a lease for the 1 guy and secured my payments. Immediatly after the deal closed I got approached by enterprise rent a car, saying they wanted to rent the place. They were trying to buy it but the owner wouldnt budge on the price they said. I just smiled and said no no he didnt. They signed a lease with me for 10 years, and the kicker was they wanted it done so fast they my final negotiations with them were "sorry but I cant have it done that fast, because I simply dont have the money to do it, so unless you come up with a year in advance of rent, then its over" They gave me a verbal in 3 days that the full year can be done if I gave them a 2% discount. YES PLEASE.. I know you are all haveing a hard time believing all this but I will post pics after. Anyways I slowly reno;d the place and 2 years later had it re appraised. I had made the old carwash into 6 units/ storefronts, ranging from 1500 to 600 sq ft, and I made and apartment that I could live in. I moved my computer store over and when it was appraised it had only one vacant unit. The appraisal came back at $699 000. Today it is fully rented, the leases are all extended and are all increased with increases each year, plus they just announced across the street that they will be doing re construction on the old mall and that means it will most likely be a larger grocery store and drug store and the rents there will be huge. That bumps me up and with the income it provides me the comparison is easily $800 000. The previous owner couldnt be happier to know he helped me suceed and was part of quite the story in town, plus he got paid what he wanted. its a good deal for everyone, my tenants who have good rents, and high traffic, my lender, and myself. Buy something you can put some sweat into, look other places then banks - they are gangsters dont even get me started, be creative, be patient - I paid rent for 5 years then decided to open another store and pay rent for another 3 years also. I saw this place as a dump - it took a book to make me look at the dump as a money situation. Newyears I said to myself there is no way I could sell this place because it pays too much and too many people are watching me now, they want to see me harvest the product and not run away. I also needed an agent to listen to what I wanted to do, not sell me something. He now brings me address' to go plow cause the house has gone powerofsale, and it has never been even shoveled and I get to look at it before anyone else does... heheheh Good luck, I'll grab some pics I am just playing on my girlfriends laptop right now.
     
  18. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    wow thats an awesome story. :salute:
     
  19. daninline

    daninline Senior Member
    Messages: 430

    I like the deal you did!

    I got my 1st house in bank forcloser for 83,000 fixed it up and sold it 5 years later for double and got a new house under bank forcloser with a 48 X 28 4 bays 14 ceilings and an office over one bay and land and a nice big house. I like the drive to work :)
     
  20. MIDTOWNPC

    MIDTOWNPC PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,452

    Some Pictures

    This is just after I bought it. Basically stripped some of the siding off and cleaned up the lot, put a flower bed in and enterprise was already in. I was about flush even at this point.

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