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Frozen Salt Pile

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Nbermuda, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    What is the best remedy and most cost effective way unfreeze or break up my 80 ton pile of frozen salt? (One that will last longer than a few hours, which is what I heard spraying pile w/ LCC. I only have a skid steer, but might be able to borrow a loader. Is beet juice salt pile treatment the way to go?) Any suggestions?
     
  2. Tbrothers

    Tbrothers Senior Member
    Messages: 140

    Good luck,once it gets wet its tough to keep it from freezing up again.Our piles at work are 30,000 ton piles and we get about 300 ton of chucks each year.Best if you can wait till it warms up a little then spread it out on the ground with a front end loader and run it over until the chunks are small enough for you to use.
     
  3. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    I'd treat it with magic,mag chloride or cal chloride, after letting it sit spread out in the sun, break up as many chunks as possible. Track skidsteer is good for this and lets you stack plenty high since you drive right up the pile.
     
  4. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    Is one chemical better than another? What's a decent price to pay per gallon? I got a quote for $2 pg at a application rate of 8-10 gallons per ton. At 80 tons that put the cost at $1280 plus shipping and tax. Maybe that's the way to go. The company who quoted this said that the salt would be good until next year even though I intend on using it this year if I can break it up. (hoping it snows more of course)
     
  5. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

    Someone told you that spraying you pile with LCC will only last a few hours?:dizzy::nono::laughing:
     
  6. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    Yes they said it would activate the salt and then freeze up after the LCC leaked out of the pile.
     
  7. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    salesman bs huh?
     
  8. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

    Well, my pile is treated with LCC and it will last forever If its covered
    Yes, LCC can leach out of the pile If it is overapplied
    A salt pile will not hold more than 10 gallons of LCC per ton, start with 8 gallons per ton
    I spray a ton of piles for my buddies, never had a problem
    However, your pile is frozen. You should stir the pile up, smash the large chunks, spray it, cover it, JMO
     
  9. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    I'm not sure I can stir it up. I think I'll try borrowing the loader to break it up, then spread it out and treat it w/ the LCC mix it and restack it. Think that'll do the trick. Any idea what a good price range is for LLC per gallon?
     
  10. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    I meant LCC not LLC
     
  11. Lightningllc

    Lightningllc 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,942

    If you use your skidsteer you should be able to turn it, Start at the front and drive up the pile turning it. Then spray it and go to lowes and buy a tarp. If you don't tarp it your losing alot of salt when it snow's / rains. Bad idea not to tarp it.

    You can also build a canopy out of pvc pipe and a tarp. Cheap and effective unless you have alot of wind
     
  12. forestfireguy

    forestfireguy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,276

    You can mix it with your skidsteer, a loader will be quicker, but is not neccesary in any way.
     
  13. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    We always tarp it. You guys have been helpful. Thanks!

    Any feedback on a good price range per gallon for LCC?
     
  14. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

    You can make your own for less than a dollar per gallon
     
  15. Nbermuda

    Nbermuda Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 8

    really how? I have lots of bags of calcium chloride already.
     
  16. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    salt etc.



    Please please do not climb your pile with
    a wheeled skid loader or a tracked one,


    Please note using a front end loader

    ON THE GROUND WITH THE
    FOUR WHEELS ON THE GROUND

    (neither the conventional front end loader or the skid steer
    loaderbeing wheeled or track drive were designed to be used on or travel upon piled materials)


    is fine but do not climb the pile wall
    to push material up to stack it or
    break it up as the loader will fall
    over on its side.




    The only type of loader that is designed specifically
    to do this with piles that have very low sloped inclines
    are referred to as wheel dozers as they have a very very
    large wide pusher blade and very low center of gravity and the width of the
    loader wheel base is nuch wider due to the blade and lifting arms that are attached
    outside the wheel base of the modified loader frame like an
    earth mover.

    Using a wheeled or tracked skid steer loader on piles like that
    is a gaurantee that you will have an end over end flip
    and it will not stop flipping until it loses momentum.

    Liquid calcium chloride will work but if the pile
    is uncovered its a bit of an non issue if the salt
    has not been treated with "no cake" to begin with.
    apparently.

    The anti caking agent is Sodium Ferrocyanide which is used for
    deicing salt piles to improve flowability and which
    give it its blue color at times.


    :waving:
     

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  17. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    I have forgotten what the ratio is but---


    Remember the water will boil until it is fully dissolved and

    I would not stand over the bucket or large pail while it is boiling

    be sure to do it outside in fresh air while wearing a 3M mask for vapors.
     
  18. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

    Use the search function, you should find enough info