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Freezing temp of liquid pre-wet solutions

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Deershack, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. Deershack

    Deershack Senior Member
    Messages: 797

    Anyone have info or a site to find out the temps that pre-wetting solutions will freeze in a tank and/or especialy the lines to the nozzels. I'm thinking of mounting a tank on the cab guard which would give me about a 12- 16' run down the bed to the spinner area
     
  2. capital

    capital Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    We have used both salt brine and mag chloride-Each has its issues but since your in Minn assume you will be using Mag.When the temps get down around 10F we begin having problems with lines and nozzles freezing up. Check with the city of Apple Valley as they have tried both and their public works guy is easy to get info from. When the temps head below 0F we usually spray the salt down in the hoppers inside our shop. Not the best solution but it works.






    minn as the temps
     
  3. Deershack

    Deershack Senior Member
    Messages: 797

    Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunatly I don't have a shop where I can pre treat the salt. Once the lines freeze or slush up, at what temp will they open up again?
     
  4. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

    I have a website for you to check out, gimme a couple days to look it up.
     
  5. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,555

    I have a home-made prewetter on one of my salt spreaders. I'm good with mag chloride down to about 10 degrees before I start having problems. It isn't so much freeze up though, it's solids falling out of suspension and clogging the nozzles.

    I'm looking into making my own calcium brine this year as time permits, we'll have to wait and see how that goes... I'd like to hear from anyone else though who's played with the 2 products, curious to know if there's any benefits, or if calcium is better at staying fluid when the temps drop.

    Currently, when the temps drop and the prewetter stops working, I keep having to go back to mixing calcium pellets in with the rock salt, which is a PITA and more expensive...
     
  6. Deershack

    Deershack Senior Member
    Messages: 797

    Do you have V box or UTG spreader?
     
  7. capital

    capital Senior Member
    Messages: 127

    wizard-agree about the solids falling out so to speak-also you could check with cargill to see if clear lane is available in ur area deershack
     
  8. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Clearlane is an amazing product-highly recommend it.
     
  9. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,555

    Isn't clearlane mostly mag chloride anyway? How thick is it? I thought about trying magic too, but was told it wouldn't work in my setup using a 12v diaphram pump and stainless ag nozzles...

    Neither, stainless BuzzBox. :nod:
     
  10. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    ClearLane® enhanced deicer is bulk deicing salt pre-mixed for customers with a mixture of liquid magnesium chloride, a PNS approved corrosion inhibitor and a coloring agent .-(From the Cargill website)
     
  11. wizardsr

    wizardsr PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,555

    Right, I've seen the green treated salt, but I was wondering about the liquid itself in a prewet scenario. Sounds like it's mostly mag anyway, so I'd probably run into the same problems as regular mag chloride in a prewet scenario... Unless there's something I'm missing... :confused:
     
  12. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868


    Sorta (completely) depends on what solution you are planning on using.

    Too bad the management banned a very knowledgeable member here because he was 'advertising' as he was a dealer. He had all sorts of good info on this and granular products.
     
  13. SnowMelt2006

    SnowMelt2006 Member
    Messages: 68

    If you want a good product and are willing to pay the money...........use potassium acetate. It's a liquid runway deicer that will take care of your problems at lower temps.
     
  14. Liquid Magic has a freezing point of -30c degrees..
     
  15. deicepro

    deicepro PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,124

  16. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    and where would PJ be? :)
     
  17. SnowMelt2006

    SnowMelt2006 Member
    Messages: 68

    PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS - CF7®

    COMPOSITION 50% aqueous potassium acetate solution, by weight, plus corrosion inhibitors
    APPEARANCE Clear, colorless, mobile liquid, free from matter in suspension
    DENSITY At 20ºC (68ºF) = 10.7 lbs/gallon (1.28 g/cm³)
    VISCOSITY At 20ºC (68ºF) = 10cp maximum At 0ºC (32ºF) = 20cp maximum
    FLASH POINT Nonflammable
    FREEZING POINT -60ºC (-76ºF)
    MISCIBILITY WITH WATER Complete
    STORAGE CF7 should not be stored or plumbed through systems that use galvanized, zinc, or brass components
    TYPICAL pH 11.0 ± 0.5
    SPECIFIC GRAVITY At 20ºC = 1.25 - 1.30
     
  18. studebaker48

    studebaker48 Member
    Messages: 53

    Magic -0 will solve all ur problems
     
  19. ChlorideGuy

    ChlorideGuy Member
    Messages: 77

    Hey snowmelt whats your product got in it?
     
  20. kpmsnow

    kpmsnow Senior Member
    from Elkhart
    Messages: 156

    Hey deershack I have contact info for clear lane for you if you are interested. It come directly off the barge on lake Michigan to you. If your interested email me at kpmsnow@aol.com They aren't site supporters so I'd rather not post the info. Also ICE-BAN has a eutectic temp of -76 degrees Just an fyi