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Fisher or Diamond

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by rjburns & sons, Dec 11, 2001.

  1. rjburns & sons

    rjburns & sons Junior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 10

    I have twenty residential accounts, I turned down two commercial accounts because I did not know how to bid. I just found this site today, if I had found it earlier I would have bid.

    Anyways the last storm cought me by surprise, I was installing a Yankee Cobler walkway in Glouster Ma and the last thing I was thinking was snow, temperature was 60. I had to borrow my friends Dodge Dakota with a snow-way plow sytem, it worked great for the limited amount of snow we received.

    I have the option of using his Dodge the remainder of the year with 15% of gross going to him, or purchasing a Fisher or Diamond not because there the only plows but because there the only distributers in this area. I own a 2000 F350 ext cab diesel. I would like to expand into commercial territory next year or now.

    I will have the opportunity to purchase the Dodge after the winter for he is moving to Myrtle beach, but he needs the truck for his Bakery this winter.

    Bottom line Diamond or Fisher? 8'?
    Or Dodge for the remainder of the year?
     
  2. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    I will say Diamond.


    However that truck isn't set up for a plow. Your front end isn't heavy duty enough. However don't worry, it will work for you if you want.

    Geoff
     
  3. landscaper3

    landscaper3 Senior Member
    Messages: 309

    Well I live in the Fisher state. They are made here but after one of our subcontractors came along in his 2002 F250 Superduty with the Diamond MDII I changed my location!!! Diamond now!
     
  4. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Both plows have similiar features. The Diamond is a little stronger but also heavier. Both are also established in your area as you said. I would lean towards the Fisher as you will be doing residential and with the extra cab a little bit lighter plow may be a help. Go with at least an 8'6" plow
     
  5. bam

    bam Senior Member
    from .
    Messages: 201

    Our company trucks are F450's 2x4 psds with 8'+ Diamonds on all the newer trucks. Works great for our commercial sites. Very strong blade.

    Does the 2000 350 supercab psd have a snow plow prep package?
    If not, will your dealer give you warranty troubles?
     
  6. JD PLOWER

    JD PLOWER PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 751

    Rjburns, where in Mass are you?
     
  7. DaveO

    DaveO PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Ma.
    Messages: 299

    RJ,

    You can't go wrong with either plow. As CT18 said the Diamond appears to be a little stronger, but also heavier. This may be a concern with a diesel engine. The new Fisher MMII's are lighter, without sacrificing strenght(hopefully), allowing you to use a 9ft blade on some trucks.


    There is no bad choice here, if you plan to expand later, you will probably want BOTH trucks. It is nice to have a backup.

    Dave
     
  8. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    With the Fisher M series plow, you can put up to a 9' blade on the truck.
    Dino
     
  9. rjburns & sons

    rjburns & sons Junior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 10

    JD PLOWER I am in Beverly. My Grandmother inlaw lives in your city. Lots of small driveways and gates in that city.

    Thanks to everyone for their responses. Seems like the bottom line is both plows are good.

    I will probably use the Dodge as a back up.

    Bam I have snow plow prep on the truck-good thing because if not the warranty would be void.

    DaveO- Question regarding the the heavier Diamond being a problem with the Diesel. Is not the Diesel built for Power?

    Does anyone know HOW MUCH HEAVIER THE DIAMOND MDII IS THAN THE FISHER M-SERIES?

    THANKS AGAIN-AWESOME SITE.:)
     
  10. Pelican

    Pelican 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,075

    I've been running two diamonds for 5 years and no problems. They are a very dependable plow, the best I've owned so far. They are a bit heavier, but they don't break.

    The downside is Diamond doesn't make a V plow, Fisher does. Don't know if this is a concern to you or not.
     
  11. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,223

    RJ I know what you mean on time I wish for no snow at the moument I still have site work to do on a foundation and drainage to put in and would rather have the warm weather right now.I have a diamond and they are a heavy plow,But I have had nothing but trouble with the pump part of the plow and not the blade it self.I think that I might try fisher on my next one.
     
  12. DaveO

    DaveO PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Ma.
    Messages: 299

    Diesel

    RJ,

    It is not the power of the diesel that is a concern, it is the weight on the front axle. The diesel engines are heavier than the gas engines, and leave less/NO rated capacity available on the front axle weight rating(FAWR). This does NOT mean it will not carry it, or will damage it. It may be a liability concern(if you are so concerned), or require heavier springs/ballast.


    Dave
     
  13. rjburns & sons

    rjburns & sons Junior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 10

    CAT320, Do you ever get a chance and play hockey in Stoneham?
    I used too often. Yeah I could use three more weeks of nice weather, although the cash was good on the last storm. I had to cancel the start of two walkways, hope they will want the work in the spring.

    CT18, Why 8 1/2? I read something about the rear wheels running in the snow with a 8', maybe thats why. But I have some narrow driveways with walls.

    DaveO, much appreciated. How would be a liability? Also how much lighter is the new fisher mmII than the Diamond MDII?
     
  14. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    That is why. 8'6" will clear the wheels on a turn. It will also allow you to swing in to areas with the larger blade. The wider blade does not weigh much more then an 8ft.

    The weight is to much for the front axe. You may void your warranty though I know of dealers, mine included, who still honor the warranty if the right packages are combined. Heavy front springs, tow package allowed me to still get the warranty. The dealers want to sell the plow truck.
     
  15. JD PLOWER

    JD PLOWER PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 751

    RJ, CT and DaveO have it correct, your liability concerns are mostly your warranty issues. If it is within your budget (and warranty) you might want to consider a V-plow for a truck of that size. It will also help if you want to move into a commercial/industrial line of work. If not, then a 8.5 straight is the way to go to cover your wheelbase.

    BTW your right about this city not being friendly to driveway plowing, thats why I stick to commercial work ;) . Good luck.
    Have you checked out www.ford-diesel.com yet?
     
  16. DaveO

    DaveO PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Ma.
    Messages: 299

    RJ,

    I agree with CT18, the 8.5ft might be a better choice given the small weight difference. If you have a dually, you will probably need a 9ft blade.

    Fisher lists weight specs on their website. The 8ft HD series is listed as 855#s. I believe this is for the "old" "L" series. If you go to their tech info on their website, and download the 2001 application's document, they list the differences between the different blades/series. The MMII "M" series blades are noticably lighter than their predecessors.

    I have been unable to find weight spec's for the Diamonds. The liability COULD become a factor if your front axle is overloaded, and you were involved in an accident. Same as being over the GVW of your vehicle.

    Dave
     
  17. cat320

    cat320 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,223

    RJ I never did play in stoneham .Do you still come down here from beverly to play.I did do alot of work at the stoneham arena.
     
  18. rjburns & sons

    rjburns & sons Junior Member
    from MA
    Messages: 10

    cat320, fortunately my business has kept me from playing. Occasionally there is a private skate with some bruins alumni on tuesday and fridays that I will be able to catch, but not lately. I do miss it but there is no excuse to miss business opportunities. Although seeing Nancy in her outfit is entertaining, nice life she lives.

    Are you doing the work next door? Did you finish that foundation? Do you do residential foundations, I might need a foundation specialist in a few years, if things keep up I will be selling my home in Beverly and building a new hom.

    I also play hockey with land developers from Boston, maybe I could increase your work load even more. Great year for outdoor work. Now that I have all but closed shop on outdoor work and am three days from purchasing my plow, I am praying or snow.

    One last set of questions cat320 do you charge by the inch on commercial and if so how much per 1000 sq. ft. or how much per storm? I balked at two great opportunities did not want to sink.
    Second is the pump you have been having trouble with the same one that is on the new Diamonds? I pretty much have decided to purchase a diamond simply because of the wait. I would have had to wait until the second week in January to get a Fisher where the Diamond was available from a small shop in N. Reading this week.
     
  19. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    I have had verry few Problems with the Diamond E - 60H Pump. I am not sure if Cat has the E-60H or the E-47H. From what I have heard is the E-47, is nothing like the E-60.

    Geoff
     
  20. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    I have an e47 that came with my Toyota plow. I upgraded to an e60. They are actually similiar in that the solenoids control the same functions. They can be swapped easily. The e60 has a bigger motor/pump and therefore is faster. Overall the e60 is a much better unit and has given me no problems, but it does not differ much in principle from an e47 IMO.