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F450 vs Dodge 4500

Discussion in 'Equipment, Tools & Vehicle Pictures' started by Mabepossibly, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. Mabepossibly

    Mabepossibly Senior Member
    Messages: 107

    Im heading up a committee to find a suitable replacement for my Vol Ambulance Squads ageing Freightliner. We have a 97 FL60 chassis thats a pile of garbage. I shouldnt say garbage, but its the wrong chassis for an Ambulance. Its slow as dog, and bouncy to ride in. We also have a 09 E450 with the 6.0 diesel. But diesels are no longer available in the E chassis

    I come to this form looking for some objective information on the F450 and the Dodge 4500. You guys are always on top of it technically and peoole on EMS forums know crap about mechanics. What are your opinions on these chassises for an emergency rig?

    My preference is for any of them to be 4x4, have a Cadillac ride and be reliable as the sun with mininal upkeep.

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  2. ShaneysLawnCare

    ShaneysLawnCare Senior Member
    Messages: 144

    If you guys are going BRAND new, both are incredible truck chasis', if fuel mileage is a factor at all the Ford will be better then the Dodge, replacement parts for normal wear are about the same price for either one. Ride quality is going to be about the same, 4x4 systems the Ford you should (don't quote me) should have an available rear differential locker in it. The locking front hubs is also a nice feature when you need true 4x4 demands. Our fleet consisting of 2007 F350 (6.0PSD), 2011 F250 (6.2 gasser), and the 2012 (6.7PSD) are all rock solid trucks never had any other parts other than normal wear go bad on them, but also I hang Boss V-XT 9'2" plows with the wing kits on them. if you do your own maintenance these new trucks are next to impossible with out any knowledge. Also these trucks are doing nothing but improving on the previous models. My father used to manage a fleet of 3 ambulances, before he switched positions. So I called him this evening for a little more in-site on this question he told me that in the truck chasis' they are almost identical ride to the E series.
    Hope this helps ask any other questions you may have!
     
  3. Banksy

    Banksy PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,113

    The county I work in just switched to Chevy 4500 Dmax's for ambulances. They had Ford before and I saw them on the back of roll backs more than I saw them driving around.
     
  4. GSS LLC

    GSS LLC Senior Member
    Messages: 639

    dodge has the better powertrain. its just how it is. no ifs ands or buts about that. i own an auto repair shop. im a chevy guy, but when it comes to diesels. i bought a dodge. because no one can touch them,.
     
  5. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    we have all three trucks that you ask about as amblances used in fire dept operations. We have two frieghtliners as you talk about the problem we have also seen the ride problems but for the trucks holding up they are the way to go.Fire dept Call volume 4000 calls per year 1 is 12 years old the other is 5 years old. My vol dept has an 2000 f550 4x4 6.0 motor. This truck has had all the 6.0 problems. with lots of front end work to be honest it had more front end work than my plow trucks. I think it's all due to the air ride in the rear.Air ride in the rear has been the biggest problem i'm not 100 percent on the gvw is the same as ford as they claim. It also eats tires. After the ford not working out do to excessive down time. The newest is a 2011 dodge 4500 the first lifeline built on a dodge. The truck has been good so far. The biggest down fall is the brakes. do to all the diffrent drivers it eats brakes and they make so much noise after time they just get changed to stop the noise. Dodge is unable to fix it at this time. it also has air ride again it's weak point with broken links. Overall i like the dodge the best but it's still new. If you want more info feel free to pm me with your contact info to call and talk
    shawn
     
  6. thelettuceman

    thelettuceman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,216

    if you do your own maintenance these new trucks are next to impossible with out any knowledge.

    This is an incredible understatement !!! I have no idea what is going on under the hood of my truck !!!
     
  7. wewille

    wewille Senior Member
    Messages: 311

    hahahahahahahahahahah your funny.

    To the original poster either one would be great. Both are using selective catalyst reduction systems. So for both you would need use exhaust fluid, and i believe fuel economy should be similar. Buy the one with a better deal spend tax dollars wisely!

    There is an ambulance company in Madison WI that has been buying new E-Series with V10's and they have been great. So I wouldn't count the e-series out yet if you guys liked them in the past. Ambulances are no longer required to be diesel powered.
     
  8. 90plow

    90plow Senior Member
    Messages: 737

    Dodge does not use def... Still has the dpf.
     
  9. mcwlandscaping

    mcwlandscaping 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,557

    Any idea why it was a requirement at one point and why it no longer is? Always been something ive wondered about!
     
  10. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    KKK specs say's nothing about fuel gas or diesel. The only mention is you can only have one source of fuel on board. That means no gas can or power tools that have fuel store separate from the fuel tank of the truck.
     
  11. Mabepossibly

    Mabepossibly Senior Member
    Messages: 107

    Thanks for the feedback. Would anyone pick a V10 gas over a diesel for a severe service vehicle with the plan to keep it for 150k?
     
  12. Jim@esitrucks

    Jim@esitrucks Inactive
    Messages: 1,124

    If the Ford is good enough for this
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    Should be good enough as an ambulance :)
     
  13. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    AMR in my area has cars with the V10 just getting to 100,000 miles. they have had not as many problems with them as the fords with 6.0 motors. The crews don't care but they get filled after every shift as compared to every 24 hours with the diesels. After 100,000 miles in an emergency truck it should be replaced and moved to spare status. Those are pretty hard miles.
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2012
  14. Philbilly2

    Philbilly2 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,550

    From what I have been hearing, DEF will be being deleted from the ambulance package trucks. To many problems with it.
     
  15. 90plow

    90plow Senior Member
    Messages: 737

    How could they eliminate it the truck wont run without it.
     
  16. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    They have a version of the motor used overseas by the US goverment. The change is for fire apparatus only. there have been to many times trucks have shut down due to regen during structure fires. How about that fighting a fire and you lose water because the truck needs to run cleaner!
     
  17. 04f250fisher

    04f250fisher Senior Member
    Messages: 105

    A town near by is running all dodge 4500's havent had a problem believe they have 4 of them.
     
  18. Philbilly2

    Philbilly2 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,550

    Just like everything else with the modern trucks, it is all tuning. Give it time, someone will figure out how to tune it out of the comsumer grade trucks.
     
  19. Mark13

    Mark13 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,734

    The hell they won't. Before 99% of the general public was buying the new trucks equip with the DEF Fluid the aftermarket already had tuners out which bypass the need for it and different exhaust to get rid of all the useless crap under the truck.

    I know of plenty '11/12/13 trucks that are tuned and deleted, some never made it 200mi off the showroom floor before being modded. They run much better, smoother to drive, increased fuel mileage, and cheaper to run compared to being stock.
     
  20. vegaman04

    vegaman04 Senior Member
    Messages: 378

    Whats it cost to delete all this stuff? I would like to get a newer one but all the emissions stuff has pushed me away.