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F250 FGAWR 5200/ Pro Plus

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by CTJ, Dec 29, 2007.

  1. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    I have a 2001 f250 supercab 4X4 7.3 with a 5200 GAWR front end. I want to put a Western 8’ Pro Plus on it. Western’s Quickmatch say I can’t put this plow on my truck but it would be OK for a reg cab truck . What upgrades can I do to my front end to put this plow on?

    Is this a good price for this plow?

    8' Pro Plus $4099.00
    Back Drag Edge For Either Plow $82.14
    Wing Kit Fits Pro Plus Only $604.43
    Install Price For Plow $ 429.00
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2007
  2. doh

    doh Senior Member
    Messages: 252

    Have at it, worst case you'll need a set of Timbrens.
     
  3. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    You can't just raise the GAWR it is what it is for a given axle. Changing springs or whatever will not help with GAWR. The weight of your truck on the front axle is what is hurting you. That is why the RC pick up can use that plow, it is a lighter truck, or if you had a gasser you should be OK with a SC because the engine is lighter. My 2000 F350,RC, PSD, with a 8'6" Pro Plow weighs #8700, no salter with me in the truck.
     
  4. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    The western dealer mentioned that some F250s have a 6000 FGAWR. I don't know if this is true. I guess I'll call ford.
     
  5. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    Found this on theDieselstop.com forum

    F-250, F-350 SRW and F-350 DRW 4x4s.

    Front spring code.

    T = 4,400 pounds @ground
    U = 4,800
    V = 5,200
    W = 5,600
    X = 6,000

    Code X front springs were only available as part of the snowplow prep pkg. They will result in an inch or so "lift" if you replace code V front springs with code X. Code W front springs were normally available only on chassis cabs, not pickups.

    The rear springs might be different, but they will all fit any of the SuperDuty pickups.

    A = F-250, 6,084 pounds @ground
    B = F-350 SRW, 6,830
    C = F-350 DRW, 8,250

    Most F-250s had code A rear springs, but some had Code B.

    The spring code is on the Federal Certification Label on the lower doorpost behind the driver's door, under "SPR". The first letter is the front spring code and the second letter is the rear spring code. Common for a '99 F-250 CrewCab PSD 4x4 was spring code VA.

    The snowplow prep package has "heavy-duty frame, springs, shocks, tires and a 4.10 rear, a trans cooler and heavy duty alt.
     
  6. Green Grass

    Green Grass PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 9,571

    Normally the 7.3 has the larger axle due to the extra weight of the engine
     
  7. itsgottobegreen

    itsgottobegreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,351

    Nope my F250 has a 4800lb axel with super cab 7.3. I run a wideout, aka 300lbs heavier than the pro plus. I currently do not have timberns (backorder) and it only drops the truck 1.5" with the plow up. I install snow plows everyday in the winter. Your truck will be fine. 500lbs or more weight behind the rear axel and you will be fine.
     
  8. Ggg6

    Ggg6 Senior Member
    from IL
    Messages: 521

    CTJ is completely correct in his spring rate/codes. Let me try to rephrase what I was trying to say earlier.
    For a given axle say Dana 50 it will be rated an axle weight rating from Dana. This will not change if you change the springs etc. But if Ford, Dodge, or Chevy use an axle that is rated by the axle mfg. with a higher rating than what the vehicle mfg. is going to rate the axle for, then you can change springs to get a higher GAWR . So long as changing the springs will not put the GAWR higher than what the axle mfg. says that Dana 50 axle is rated for.
    This is how Ford can mix and match springs and keep the front axle the same. Even with the x-code springs the added weight of the diesel, 4x4, LWB, plow, and SC cab you will exceed Ford's max rating for your axle. IIRC in the 99 through 2001 model years Ford did not offer the x-codes on SRW SC and CC models, only SRW RC and any DRW models. It wasn't until Ford changed them all to Dana 60 front axles did they offer the x-code in the heavier SRW SC, and CC trucks.
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2007
  9. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    I understand. Thanks for the info. I couldn't find anything about codes for a 2001. I gonna put the plow on anyhow and see how it goes.. Heck maybe I'll end up putting a new axle on my truck.
     
  10. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    Thanks for the info. I'm going to go ahead and get one. Who did you buy your western's from? The dealer in frederick md?
     
  11. Newdude

    Newdude Senior Member
    Messages: 878

    Hey i took a look on western's quickmatch and they allow up to an 8ft. 6in. ultramount pro and the 8ft. pro plus for the smaller bed but up to an 8ft 6in. pro for the longer bed, so which ever bed size you have you should be ok. I wasn't sure which bed you had soo I put both up.
     
  12. itsgottobegreen

    itsgottobegreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,351

    Well I work for R and B steel in rockville in the winter so naturally I bought mine there. I would not for any reason deal with endless summer rv (fredrick western dealer) Not that I am bias or anything but ever since Scott left up there, thier customer service sucks. Which is why I started buying from R+B in the first place, then eventually started working there. There are a large number of people who plow in fredrick that come down to rockville because of the same reason.

    R+B has 1 wideout left. Talked to Rick. 240 268 0860
     
  13. DirtyJerzey

    DirtyJerzey Senior Member
    Messages: 358

    so you think your truck is fine with the wideout? quickmatch only approves you for a 7.5 plow though.... my local dealer is playing games with me over a wideout and wont install it because i have 5600lb springs, not the 6000 that western says are needed for my 06 f250 crew cap diesel
     
  14. itsgottobegreen

    itsgottobegreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,351

    Your dealer is just trying to protech his butt. Just cash and carry. Its going to take you a few hours to install it yourself. Some dealers don't care, others do. Again I installed mine myself. Not a dealer, but I just happend to work for a dealer.
     
  15. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    Thanks
    I'll give Rick a call in the morning.
    Do you know how much the 8-1/2 MVP Plus Weighs? Is it more or less than a Wideout?
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2007
  16. CTJ

    CTJ Junior Member
    Messages: 15

    I would really like to get a 81/2 MVP Plus