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Estimating Formula Needed

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by Rhath64, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. Rhath64

    Rhath64 Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Hello to everyone! I'm new to the Snowplowing business. Just retired from 45 years of masonry. Looking for a job and plowing snow is going to be it till spring.
    Need your advice on how much time would it take to plow a straight driveway-60'x15' with a depth of 4". I want to create a baseline. I hope to contract within a 10 mile radius.
     
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    For me about 2 minutes
     
  3. Fannin76

    Fannin76 Senior Member
    Messages: 731

    Get on taskeasy.com and use their measurement tool and it'll give you a price
     
  4. Rhath64

    Rhath64 Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Estimating

    Thank you, Fannin 76. The website was helpful. I need as much info as I can get. Actually doing the plowing will be my best teacher but prices are needed now.
     
  5. Fannin76

    Fannin76 Senior Member
    Messages: 731

    Did you make sure u made sure it was on snow clearing when you used the measurement tool. Because their prices are different for the tasks
     
  6. Herm Witte

    Herm Witte Senior Member
    Messages: 553

    Production rate X hourly rate x frequencies per season = seasonal rate
    Or
    Production rate times hourly rate = per trip rate

    These are simple formulas that you can build on and refine but will at least steer you in the right direction for now.

    Production rates can be found elsewhere on the site. Join SIMA for a host of information and training materials. There is a lot of work for you to do. We can't do it for you. A lot of it is part of business 101. Best wishes and good luck!
     
  7. Rhath64

    Rhath64 Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    New to Snow Business

    Fannin 76-I used the proper measurement tool. The costs ended up too high for my area but I did get a good breakdown as to amounts of snowfall and everything about its removal.
    Herm Witte-Found a site that gives cost averages for snow removal based on zip code. My area was very low. Our town is around 22K, and pays $150. for a season contract. I would expect an average minimum of pushes to be at least 30. That would be $5.00 a push. Hardly gas money. I've put magnetic signs on my truck yesterday about snow removal. I'm committed now, but I'm going to throw out a higher seasonal price and test the water.
    I'm very busy in my mason business right now. It's difficult to get away to check out the commercial work. Wrapping things up. I think there may be more opportunities to make money and less drive time on the road.
     
  8. Fannin76

    Fannin76 Senior Member
    Messages: 731

    There salt is pretty high. I was just giving u a good option. Also task easy keeps 14% plus insurance costs if you don't have insurance. So that'll give you a rough estimate. Also the guys doing it $150 seasonal will probably peace out half way tgrough
     
  9. springscapes

    springscapes Junior Member
    from Stayner
    Messages: 6


    This formula works best for me.
     
  10. Rhath64

    Rhath64 Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Per push vs. seasonal contract

    I can't see how a seasonal contract will work for the customer or me without a verbal altercation. It seems that during a heavy snowfall and blowing winds I could clear a drive at 3:00 a.m. and it would need to be cleared again before 6:00 a.m. If I have fifteen accounts I think I'd have a few customers snowed in and not be able to get out of their driveway for work even though they were already serviced once. I think it would work better for me to have them call. I would get to the caller as quickly as possible and if he/she needs to be plowed again....great. By them calling I can give an update as to where and the when of service.
    I haven't plowed before. This is all new to me, but I have contracted and worked with people in business for years. What do you think? I need other perspectives. Feel free to be critical.
     
  11. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    They are paying you for a service. It is your job to make sure it is cleaned out for them to go to work. That is why a tight route is a must. Start at #1 and plow to the last one. Then go back to #1 and repeat till all the snow is cleared out.
     
  12. Herm Witte

    Herm Witte Senior Member
    Messages: 553

    The last thing you want to do during a storm is chase around and satisfy phone requests as you will lose all routing efficiency. Plow your route in order and do it again - in order as much as possible. That way your early route clients are done first the second time through. Just remember you will never keep everyone totally happy in this industry. Just be consistent in how and when you perform your service.
     
  13. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,963

    You do not want phone calls.
     
  14. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Only way you can tell if you did a good job is by not getting any!
     
  15. dieselss

    dieselss PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,963

    True that G.
     
  16. Rhath64

    Rhath64 Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    No Calls

    Thank you. I've read your replies to others and respect your input to me. Three experienced pros giving the same information would be foolish to ignore. And I won't. NO CALLS!
    Thanks again.
     
  17. andersman02

    andersman02 Senior Member
    Messages: 708

    To go along with these guys, do not try and please everyone. Do your route, if it is a heavy event, do it now than once, in the same order. We reverse the routes each storm to keep it fair
     
  18. MSsnowplowing

    MSsnowplowing Senior Member
    Messages: 711

    Well some calls you do want, like the neighbor right next door who saw you plowing and wants you to plow them too. :cool:

    Even better the single hot blond right GV :blush2:
     
  19. Mr.Markus

    Mr.Markus PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 5,164

    As I get older the neighbours always come out ask me a price and send their kid over to start shovelling my customers drive...