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EMERGENCY!!!! Please help me!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by YPLLLC, Dec 24, 2008.


    YPLLLC Senior Member
    Messages: 144

    Hey everybody, I just got asked to give an estimate for the property below. I will be using a 7' 6" Blade and a salt spreader.

    Before anyone tells me I am crazy for trying to do this with a 7' 6" plow, there is no need to, I know I am. But its all I got and I need the contract!!!

    I am needing to know what I should charge (or a range) for per push. Also how much salt this should take. I need to get a rough estimate as to how many pallets I should order for the rest of the season. A guess of pounds of salt would be awesome!!!!

    Also if anyone has an idea of what I could charge for a seasonal contract as well. This is St. Louis so the weather is crazy and we could get a bunch of snow next month, or none like this month.

    I know this is a lot of questions, any information will help me a lot. Again no need to tell me I am crazy, I already know that!!!!!:dizzy:

    Finally incase you are wondering 1 inch on this map equals 50 feet!!!!!

    Thanks in advance!!!!!

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  2. timberseal

    timberseal Senior Member
    from 46385
    Messages: 247

    I would do nothing but hourly on something like that. Especially if your going to have traffic and cars throughout the day.
  3. bluerage94

    bluerage94 Senior Member
    Messages: 398

    I would salt and make one pass to get the main aisles clear then plow the lot during the night. 3yds in a spreader should be ok, initially.
  4. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    1 to 1.5 hours to plow it (assuming it's not full of cars, 1-6"), no idea on salt.
  5. Showmestaterida

    Showmestaterida Senior Member
    Messages: 407

    1.5 hrs if no cars, add more cleanup time if cars are there. Salting, 2 tons tops per app.
  6. PerfiCut Inc.

    PerfiCut Inc. Senior Member
    from Eastern
    Messages: 161

    2.5 Hours to plow. 1000-1500 # for salt.
  7. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    You've got a couple of isles that may suck up some time, due to the lack of space to drop the piles. There's cars parked at the ends of some of those isles and it looks like some are even parked in the main isle. I'd figure 2- 2.5 hours for a daytime plow w/ at least an hour for clean up. Assuming your using bag salt, I'd figure about 18 - 22 bags per app. for isles only. With all those cars, you shouldn't need too much salt, the traffic will make it work better and you'll have salt dripping off the cars as well.

    YPLLLC Senior Member
    Messages: 144

    Thanks a lot guys, I am going to send off a bid to the owner and will let everyone know how it goes!!!!
  9. DJ Contracting

    DJ Contracting PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,392

    I would pick up a sub to help out and make sure you include his price with a mark-up for you, as far as salt look into bulk with a small v salt spreader should work in your truck and it will eliminate constant loading a small tailgate spreader i agreeswith 1500lbs of salt good luck.
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2008
  10. mdrier

    mdrier Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    This may be late, but the first question I have is where does the snow go. Is there specific locations the client wants the snow piles?
  11. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    Some of you guys are freakin nuts! lol. 1-1 1/2 hours to plow???????? 1000-1500lbs of salt????????? This is going from the picuter he provided right, am I not seeing something? From what I see, prolly at least a couple of hours of plowing with one 1/2ton truck with only a 7.6 straight blade and AT LEAST close to a ton (2000lbs) of salt. No offense to any one but IMO there is no way to plow this place in under a couple of hours. A lot will depend on where you can pile the snow also. Sounds like you already put the bid in but like some one else said, I also would bid it hourly, and a per ton salt application. Good luck!:dizzy: I personally would either get those other two trucks in there to help or pass, once those windrows build up from running the open lots there is no way a truck is going to move them (again without being there for hours)
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2008
  12. JDiepstra

    JDiepstra PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,780

    I agree. The lot is good size, and odd shaped.
  13. Burkartsplow

    Burkartsplow PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,248

    3 hours to plow. 2000# of salt. Those are more realistic numbers to go buy. tell $450 per plow and another $450 to salt. good luck,
  14. Turbodiesel

    Turbodiesel Senior Member
    Messages: 428

    Do you have insurance? Are you bonded? No property management company will accept your offer if your not qualified.
    You and your equipment are less than capable of clearing that lot in a timely manner and fashion . Especially during a major storm .
    You will need heavy equipment to relocate . You will need help which means "workmans comp''.
    Are you prepared for slip and fall litigation?
  15. mdrier

    mdrier Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Good points about the insurence. I have always priced commericial lots on a per time basis per every two to three inch/increments. Continues snowfalls are T&M for open ups.
  16. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    This is what I was getting at when i said I might pass if I were him. I know no one wants to turn anything down but I would rather have the right equipment and do it right than trash my name that could damage my business for years to come. Hell go pick up 15-20driveways and prolly make as much or close to the same money and far less headaches and in a lot less time.
  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,425

    The scale is off too. The largest row of cars is about 2 1/2", so 125 feet. But there are approximately 20 cars (couple trees) in that row. If you figure 9 or 10' per parking space, you are pushing 200'.

    You guys are better than me if you can run that one off in an hour and a half.
  18. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    well, a couple points.
    No way that takes me more than 1.5 hours to do, none. (plus salt, all of this discussion below is plow only, 1-6")
    Your choice of equipment (not you personally, you the contractor) isn't my problem.
    If you aren't willing to be productive and get a blade with wings or a V plow, well yes, it might take forever for YOU to do it. BUT, that doesn't change the price. It's only worth what it's worth, if Joe can do it twice as fast as you, you have to charge much less per hour to do it because the price to either one of you is going to be approximately the same.

    If you bid it at 3 hours times the hourly rate, well, you're going to be about 2x too high. You might get it, for a while, but you'll lose it sooner or later, Price driven business, price matters here, you simply have to be more productive to be able to keep the same price.

    You don't mow a 15 acre ballfield with a 21" mower and charge for 3 days of work do you? No, of course not, you purchase a big mower and you charge for the size. Because if you don't, someone else will. Same theory.
  19. stoneexc2

    stoneexc2 Member
    Messages: 44

    I say 2 to 3 hours with a truck and straight blade, maybe 2 with a vee blade, an hour and a half minimum with a large skid steer and 10 foot pusher,
  20. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Better than me to