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Dump insert or Dump Truck Delima?

Discussion in 'Business Fundamentals' started by N&CLandscaping, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. N&CLandscaping

    N&CLandscaping Senior Member
    from Medford
    Messages: 105

    Okay, what should I do in your guys opinion? Get a dump insert for my truck (2006 F250 EXT Cab FX4 Short bed) or get a cheap a$$ dump truck? I want to spend under 3K, that is why I am having this problem, get a Chity dump that will need alot of work or a insert and be stuck with one truck? Any opinions would help!
     
  2. ColumbiaLand

    ColumbiaLand Senior Member
    Messages: 790

    The insert is a great idea, just not in a short bed (wont hold a lot). For your budget I would just get a dump trailer. There are a huge variety of them and you should be able to find one to suit your needs, plus its a lot cheaper to maintain and you don't have to pay $$$$ to insure it. (extra cash in your pocket) Here is a picture of our dump trailer....
     
  3. ColumbiaLand

    ColumbiaLand Senior Member
    Messages: 790

  4. RODHALL

    RODHALL Senior Member
    Messages: 374

    i don't know anyone who builds a dump insert for 6.5ft box.....
    of the 2 options you gave the dump truck is the only one relaistic...

    I have a tag along dump trailer. You can get a dam near new 7 x14 dump trailer for $3,000
    most use the 2 5/16 ball, if your trucks are wired with a brake controler, you should be good to go, but if not $100-150 on a good controler.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2009
  5. ColliganLands

    ColliganLands PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,854

    id also recommend the dump trailer.. you'll be lucky to find any sort of dumptruck for 3grand and my guess is you wont want to buy it once you do find it.
     
  6. KGRlandscapeing

    KGRlandscapeing 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,660

    I am prettysure truck craft and somebody else make short bed dump inserts. Dump trailers cost 4k easy too. And then ur stuck with a trailer and u cant pull it at the same time as ur landscaping stuff or what not.
     
  7. Burkartsplow

    Burkartsplow PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,245

    truckcraft makes 6.5 dump insert . around 4000 for the shorty and weighs around 350 lbs. you can put up to 4 yds in it.
     
  8. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    With your budget you could get a truck. But you would be working on it all the time. And then you have insurance and plates. Dump instert won't haul enough to make it worth it.

    Dump trailer is the way to go. cheaper to buy and maintain. Can haul more than a truck you could get for the price.
     
  9. N&CLandscaping

    N&CLandscaping Senior Member
    from Medford
    Messages: 105

    I never thought of the dump trailer... That could work, ill see what im going to do and ill keep you guys posted. Almost every brand of Dump insert that I know of makes a 6.5' short bed dump.

    Thanks guys
     
  10. ABES

    ABES PlowSite.com Addict
    from MN
    Messages: 1,322

    I loved our dump trailer for the few years we had it, too bad it was sold a few years back:cry:
     
  11. musclecarboy

    musclecarboy 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,303

    Dump trailer brother, the insert in a short bed won't be worth it. Is the truck diesel?

    Also, a junk dump truck will just cost you a bunch more as you go along
     
  12. Rock Boat

    Rock Boat Member
    Messages: 65

    dump trailer would be nice but my question would be if its gvw is over 10,001lbs would it be required to have a cdl to tow the trailer and here in pa i know we need a combination on the tow vehicle registration and with d.o.t stops popping up more and more under that gvw might save you in the long run i have a class a cdl so its no big deal to me but it might be something you want to think about when buying a dump trailer
     
  13. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    Any trailer towed by any truck combo used by a landscaper is over the 10001 pound limit so they need to have a DOT number. It has to be a combined weight of over 26k to have the CDL. Medical card is required with DOT number, and depending on the state, maybe a Chauffer license.

    There are several threads on this subject.
     
  14. Rock Boat

    Rock Boat Member
    Messages: 65

    well by what it says on that back of my cdl license
    class a - combination > 26,000 / tow > 10,000
    so what that is saying
    any combination over 26,000 lbs you need a cdl
    towing a trailer over 10,000 lbs you need a cdl
    and if i'm not mistaken over 17,000 lbs is when you need a physical
    that might be why at every d.o.t stop you see all the landscapers in there getting tickets
     
  15. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    I have a 12,000 landscape trailer and a 6500 gvw truck. The total is 18500 and I don't need a cdl to pull it.

    I believe it is a single truck or combination truck/trailer over 26k that requires it.

    I was using my 19,500 truck to tow that 12,000 trailer and got pulled over for no trailer brake lights. Was not sited for no CDL nor did he ask. Did I get off, probably. Am I getting my cdl in the spring, Yes.
     
  16. Rock Boat

    Rock Boat Member
    Messages: 65

    well i think if you get stopped by a local cop he might not know the laws and you can get away with it but if you find one that knows the law you will be getting a fine could not going to argue with you about it but just hope you don't find that one cop that knows what he is doing you can look around at all the forums on this issue and you will see any thing over 10000 no matter what its being pulled by needs a cdl but when you do get stopped please post it up so we can see maybe get a pick of you and the cop next to the gvw tag on the trailer with your hands up in the air like you are saying i don't know way i am getting a ticket that will be priceless
     
  17. QuadPlower

    QuadPlower PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,056

    I got pulled overy by a MI State Trooper Weigh Master. I would hope he knows the law.
     
  18. Rock Boat

    Rock Boat Member
    Messages: 65

    i would say you got lucky not everyone knows the laws about cdl and some state don't push it but you are getting your cdl so just be care full till you do i know around here in pa they love pulling landscapers over and that is just the local cops doing the dot stop i know one thing if you get in an accident you will be asked about it and the other thing is are you towing the trailer for commerce or just for person if it for commerce then you should have one if it personal then you don't need one yet lol i know in ca and i think some other state they are starting to require a rv cdl for motor homes
     
  19. KGRlandscapeing

    KGRlandscapeing 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,660

    Any RV that has air brakes is going to require a cdl
     
  20. CJSLAWNSERVICE

    CJSLAWNSERVICE Senior Member
    Messages: 155

    CDL Is required for buisness use , If your driving an RV for vacation no CDL is needed, You can rent a penske 6500 /international truck to move your stuff in at 25,999 GVWR /Air brakes and be ok .