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Driver damage my truck

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by APLC, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. APLC

    APLC Senior Member
    Messages: 206

    Ok this is what is going on guys,

    I have a year round employee that plows most of my Residential while im doing the commercial part. This is his first year plowing for me but has plowed in the past with other companies, Well he has backed into a mailbox, a nice Rubbermaid one (that I will have to pay for) also has broken out the tail lights, also put a huge dent in my tailgate, and put a big scratch down the rear side (all in one storm). I told him his A** is on his way out:angry:, and I think he should at least pay for the tail lights. I understand that it could be a accident but should I have to pay for his accident's? also I could understand if it was just one thing but all that in one storm thats a little much for a seasoned driver, and I would pay if it was just a mailbox or some landscaping/grass but thats just my thoughts just wondering what you guys would do.
     
  2. ABES

    ABES PlowSite.com Addict
    from MN
    Messages: 1,322

    Always been my experience that the owner of the company pays for damages and accidents.
     
  3. APLC

    APLC Senior Member
    Messages: 206

    even if it is driver neglect? thanks for the input
     
  4. Eronningen

    Eronningen Senior Member
    Messages: 442

    We are all big business owners, with it comes risks. You should not make him pay for any of it. When one of my drivers damages something, we talk about and move on. I pay. Sometimes its my fault for not training properly.
     
  5. fireball

    fireball PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 536

    suggest a bonus system to him. It works for all the wall street banks
     
  6. cseutah

    cseutah Member
    from Utah
    Messages: 54

    even if the driver is neglectful the owner is responsible and you can't charge him for the accident. It's kind of a crappy deal but its the way it works. I have had drivers total out trucks from not paying attention and i have to choose to fire them and replace or fix the truck or keep them around and hope they learned a lesson so i can recoup my losses, by making them work harder for their money.
    I pay snow bonuses at the end of the season and if they have any accidents they forfeit their bonus.
    So i guess decide if he or she is worth keeping and fix your truck and move on.
     
  7. MeeksCo

    MeeksCo Senior Member
    Messages: 214

    We're not all big business owners. I, also, have had other guy's use my equipment and, fortunately, there were never any accidents during their use.
    Though, I would never feel ashamed to have them pay for part of the damage.
    I also payed them less as they were using my fuel and my equipment, but, that was only to cover the insurance and the fuel for heavens sakes. Not property damage.

    I would lay it on the line.
    Does he do drugs or drink at all? All in one storm sounds a little fishy to me.
    Installing a new mailbox isnt a problem, but, a scratch down the side of the truck and a new tailight...that hurts.
    "Comin' out of your pay, kid."

    Now if he was using his truck and hit that mailbox and damaged his truck, you should pay for the mailbox.
    Get what I'm saying?
     
  8. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    Not at all.

    I agree with the others....if he's in a company truck and does property damage, or damages the truck, the company/owner absorbs this.

    What you are describing is a sub. He pays for any damages or makes it go away by doing the repair himself on his own time.
     
  9. APLC

    APLC Senior Member
    Messages: 206

    I can understand that being the owner and taking care of it, its not the price that is pissing me off its the total disregard for my equipment, yeah its my truck,gas,and name. and I pay him well. as far a drugs or drinking im not shure anything is possible thanks for all the input i think this thread will go far
     
  10. BSDeality

    BSDeality Senior Member
    Messages: 736

    It's a cost of doing business. Legally you CANNOT make him pay for it. You cannot garnish wages for it. Chock it up as lesson learned.
     
  11. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985

    Your Truck...Your Driver...Your Bill...Get rid of him....
     
  12. APLC

    APLC Senior Member
    Messages: 206

    yeah I think he is on his way out for more then just this
     
  13. naturalgreen

    naturalgreen Senior Member
    Messages: 404

    owner eats the cost
    I have had some huge screw ups by employees all i do is get rid of them
    you have a guy running a plow truck expect it to get f-ed up.
    Unless he was drunk or something I eat the cost part of owning a business.
    I agree here I know I am legally responsible in almost all cases. You pay him to work and what happens there is your problem. It will teach you who are good employees. We all have accidents but if the disrespect the equip fire em.
     
  14. fairrpe86

    fairrpe86 Senior Member
    Messages: 175

    The company I work for, at the beginning of snow season we sign a contract saying that first accident we have to pay $500 deductible for the accident, even if its fixed inhouse still have to pay it unless the repair is less than that. Second accident you pay 1/2 the deductible and can't drive company vehicles for six months. Third accident you pay full deductible and cant drive for a year. Some get fired if they get to that point, others dont. It all just depends on the circumstances that go along with that particular employee.
     
  15. APLC

    APLC Senior Member
    Messages: 206

    fairrpe86 The company I work for, at the beginning of snow season we sign a contract saying that first accident we have to pay $500 deductible for the accident, even if its fixed inhouse still have to pay it unless the repair is less than that. Second accident you pay 1/2 the deductible and can't drive company vehicles for six months. Third accident you pay full deductible and cant drive for a year. Some get fired if they get to that point, others dont. It all just depends on the circumstances that go along with that particular employee.




    that sounds fair, especially if your in new trucks and such thanks for sharing Fairrpe86
     
  16. paradise1229

    paradise1229 Senior Member
    Messages: 308

    When I worked for a large landscape company, It stated in the employee manual that any damages caused by an employee due to careless negligence, will pay for such damages.

    But, this is Ohio.
     
  17. cseutah

    cseutah Member
    from Utah
    Messages: 54

    you can not legally do this with an employee or a contract employee using your equipment, you can do this with a sub who is operating his own equipment on your insurance policy. It would never hold up in a court of law signed document or not.
     
  18. WIPensFan

    WIPensFan PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,490

    I was wondering if you could set something up ahead of time like is described here. That's what I would like to do if legal.
     
  19. cseutah

    cseutah Member
    from Utah
    Messages: 54

    same as the other you can not legally do this, employee's are regulated by federal law and you can not charge an employee for damages to company owned equipment. if you do a drug and alcohol test and find they where in fact on drugs or alcohol you can press charges against them for any and all accidents but you still can not charge them personally for damages done to company equipment while on company time.
     
  20. hydro_37

    hydro_37 PlowSite Veteran
    from iowa
    Messages: 3,790

    Your insurance should cover the damage but I would sure as hell fire him.
    Especially if it was all done in 1 storm.....by the end of winter you wont have a truck left