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Dowflake vs peladow

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by jcoria, Feb 10, 2015.

  1. jcoria

    jcoria Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Which is better and why?

    I've always used bagged ice b gone and love it but I got three bags of peladow since I finished my pallet of ice b gone and I wasn't impressed. The ice b gone seemed to work faster than the peladow but I want to try different calcium now. I had dowflake for my house a few years ago and I remember it was pretty good but never used it commercially. Now I need a pallet and I don't know which way to go. Should I get dowflake or peladow or stick with the ice b gone?
     
  2. leolkfrm

    leolkfrm PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,412

    mix it ...1 peladow and 4 ice be gone....quicker burn down and lasts longer than either one individually

    just what i have found works well on sidewalks
     
  3. jcoria

    jcoria Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Thanks. Looks like I'll be buying a pallet of Ice B Gone and some bags of Peladow. It is just mixing them in a bucket right?
     
  4. 90plow

    90plow Senior Member
    Messages: 737

    Peladow/flake seemed to get a lot of complaints from clients with too much residue tracking into buildings. I think it melts off to quickly, meaning dissolves too quickly where as the ice be gone tends to last longer and give some traction. Also peladow can have a ball bearing effect if you apply before a storm or early in a storm. I use treated products like ice be gone but mix with peladow if the temps are going to be real cold.
     
  5. jcoria

    jcoria Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    90plow what is a ball bearing effect you mentioned?
     
  6. gasjr4wd

    gasjr4wd Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    I think because the actual shape of the product is round...
     
  7. navyman

    navyman Member
    Messages: 66

    Walking on marbles....
     
  8. jcoria

    jcoria Junior Member
    Messages: 17

    Ahh, okay that makes sense.
     
  9. leolkfrm

    leolkfrm PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,412

    yup, i use a 5 qt oil jug with the bottom cut at an angle, nylon gloves not leather, and hand spread,
     
  10. leolkfrm

    leolkfrm PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,412

    have found that if someone over applys(instead of making a pass with a shovel)
    it creates the marble affect.
     
  11. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    Both work they are the same product CC.

    I make my own side walk ice melter. Take bulk salt and screen with 1/4 inch hardware cloth.

    Used the stuff that passes through the screen and mix in 20% of either calcium product you mentioned.

    No ball bearings...that stuff breaks up easy.

    Wish I could find it cheaper. Paying about 18.00 a 50 pound bag.
     
  12. gasjr4wd

    gasjr4wd Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    See if you can get something like:
    http://frostbiteicemelt.com/
    I get it for $12/50lb bag.
    My dealer had a little bucket of it so you can see how it feels. Doesn't clump.
    How do you mix your stuff?
     
  13. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    Interesting. I have not seen this product before. It might be a nice alternative
    To my making my own.

    How I make mine is simple. You need one guy but two makes it go faster.

    I built a 4 x 2 frame out of 2 x 4's wrapping the hardware cloth around the frame and use 1 x 2 one the out side to secure.

    Then you need two saw horses. I lay the frame on the horses and set it up next to my salt pile. I then hand scoop road salt onto the screen and by hand mave it around letting the smaller product fall through. After it is mostly done I dump the large material and start over. After I get about one bobcat bucket I dump a bag or two of straight calcium chloride and mix by hand or use the bobcat yo mix. I then load into 5 gallon buckets.

    This product you shared.....what is in it ?
     
  14. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    Ps....I use quality road salt. The blue stuff that has a anti caking stuff added.

    I am getting it for 95 a ton
     
  15. gasjr4wd

    gasjr4wd Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    chemmakeup.jpg

    like this? No idea what any of it is... the guy said it's basically fertilizer with a plastic added (IIRC).
    I haven't used any yet.

    chemmakeup.jpg
     
  16. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    Interesting.

    They advertise there is no Chlorides in the product, but I see Calcium, Potassium, Sodium.

    Other compound that I am not sure what they are...but I would guess they are coating.

    Might be great stuff though.

    I am paying $ 2.37 for 50 pounds of NaCL in bulk

    I am paying $ 18.00 for 50 pounds of CaCl in bag.

    so my mix is costing me $ 6.87 for 50 pounds. With 25% mix of CaCl.

    But I would like to hear how your stuff works. Thank you.
     
  17. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    PS...that price is without a labor factor.

    So you might as well say it is expensive.
     
  18. gasjr4wd

    gasjr4wd Senior Member
    Messages: 284

    yes, I don't have any place to do a large setup like you must have. I'd have to get a bigger shed to get a cement mixer inside. Getting anything in bulk... I can't even get my truck in my backyard. Not enough room to get past the house. Bulk would be nice...
     
  19. On a Call

    On a Call Senior Member
    Messages: 760

    You can do it on your drive way in the summer or fall. Heck even in the winter when it is dry.

    Buy bagged material.

    But I can see storage of made material will be a problem.

    Another problem....5 gallon buckets. I was given from the city 300 buckets with lids. They were used and had contained a producted used in pool water treatment.
     
  20. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,990

    lol,I love those buckets.My brother in law is a plumber for a school and has a constant supply of those buckets from pool treatment ,the ones I get have screw on lids.I have about 25 so far and told him keep them coming!