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Do you need hazmat for hauling / spraying liquids?

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by DodgeBlizzard, Dec 22, 2011.

  1. DodgeBlizzard

    DodgeBlizzard Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    Do you need a hazmat license for hauling spraying liquids? I'm in Pa. I know it's the same thing as rock salt, but in a liquid form. But if it's spilled you can't just scoop and sweep it up. I can't find any info on it.
     
  2. lilweeds

    lilweeds PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,178

    No, but depending on the size of the tank you could require a tanker endorsement. I do not know the size that would put you over.
     
  3. golfcar

    golfcar Member
    Messages: 35

    Over 26,000 lbs would require a CDL and tanker license I believe, and that is national
     
  4. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    Depends on the size of the tank. The CDL yes, not necessarily on the tanker part.
     
  5. DodgeBlizzard

    DodgeBlizzard Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    Anybody know who I would call to find out? State Police? DEP (Department of Environmental Protection) ? Drivers License Center?
     
  6. rcn971

    rcn971 Senior Member
    Messages: 213

    I was told you need a tanker endorsement for 500 gallons in NJ. But I must say there seem to be a different set of laws around here when it's snowing.
     
  7. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,997

    I think it might also depend if the tank is permanently mounted to truck verses a skid tank.
    Been a while since i took test.Definitely don't need hazmat/placards.May need to carry
    msds though.
     
  8. fireside

    fireside Senior Member
    Messages: 661

    If i remember correct. It's 500 gallons and over 26,001 gvw will requier an tanker indorsment to your CDL. As for under 500 gallons and 26,001 you need nothing mostly due to the fact you will be over weight. I know an f550 with a flat bed and a 450 gallon tank of water takes it to just under GVW. Yes i know there are the 25,999 gvw trucks out there with 1000 gallon tanks but that' the law.
    As for hazmat salt water is not listed as any plac requiered load. Just a word of caution mark the tank as water/salt water only, so if you have a bad day and it starts leaking your local fd will not call in the dep and so on for an unknown product leaking( i have been to a few from leaking salt water at the firehouse). over 500 gallons you will need a load doucment of proof of product of some kind/MSDS sheet.
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011
  9. rock18201

    rock18201 Member
    from NEPA
    Messages: 40

    ok let's clear this up. if the vehicle weight is over 26000 lbs you need a CDL if the product you are transporting is less then 1000 gallons you do not need a tanker endorcement or HAZMAT unless it is a hazarodous substance. however if you are transporting 990 gallon on a chevy 3500 you will get your ass handed to you. because you cannot go over the truck weight.
     
  10. WingPlow

    WingPlow Senior Member
    Messages: 634

    i beleive the gallon amount varies state by state
     
  11. Plow man Foster

    Plow man Foster PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,153

    Well Im in michigan....
    I weigh about 17,500 when full
    TECHNIcALLY if i got pulled over a cop could ask to see my weight ticket/ have weigh master come. If they do im screwed!!
    i also should carry a msds sheet but i dont... Just to show that its NOT hazardous!

    NO HAZARDOUS TICKET IS Required! Dont be stupid. Dont put a 700 gallon tank in a pickup. Remember liquid is about 10 pounds a gallon!
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2011
  12. dfd9

    dfd9 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,475

    Thumbs Up

    Proof?

    I could be wrong as well, but I think this is something set by the Fed, not state to state. And 1,000 gallons is the limit.
     
  13. rcn971

    rcn971 Senior Member
    Messages: 213

    If you put 990 gallons of de icer at roughly 11lbs per gallon in a Chevy 3500 you prolly shouldn't even be allowed to have a drivers license at all.
     
  14. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,876

    Liquid calcium chloride is 11.86lbs per gal

    Straight water is 8.35lbs per gal...I assume salty water is somewhere inbetween.
     
  15. Plow man Foster

    Plow man Foster PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,153

    Well i think im getting deal when we go to suburban landscape supply. They sell the liquid for .34 cents a gallon/10 pounds.
     
  16. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,876

    Is that salt brine or calcium chloride? If LCC that is a good price, I pay around $.59 per gal or $.05per lb.
     
  17. Plow man Foster

    Plow man Foster PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,153

    LCC
    We mix it with some brine since LCC "Doesnt freeze."
     
  18. DodgeBlizzard

    DodgeBlizzard Senior Member
    Messages: 526

    What percentages of each do you have your mix?
     
  19. Plow man Foster

    Plow man Foster PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,153

    To be honest with you i dont know what the percentages of "stuff" that is in our brine but i do know we add like 12% of LCC to it after it comes out of the tanker. I'll have to find the msds sheet out for the specs. Its good stuff!
     
  20. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    So 88/12 ? What the H--- kind of number is that? Just had to out do me? :laughing: