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Do you ever ask yourself why bother doing snow removal

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by 94gt331, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. 94gt331

    94gt331 Senior Member
    from usa
    Messages: 293

    I been asking this question for the last month. I do 45 snow accounts with 3 trucks and a skidloader. I love being out plowin when it's snows. But it hasn't snowed yet at all, I havent even salted yet. Sometimes i think about getting a full time job in the winter. Every winter I put a few thousand dollars in getting the trucks ready to go for snow and no snow. I don't know im just really depressed sitting around and not working watching my hard earned savings from the summer dissapear.:cry:
     
  2. buckwheat_la

    buckwheat_la 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,254

    i feel your pain, i really do. This is a good reason not to be completely invested in snow removal. If you enjoy doing snow, then great, keep at it, but you may want to take up another trade, or find yourself a part time job that will work around your snow contracts. Good luck, and I hope the snow flies for you soon.
     
  3. KSB

    KSB Member
    Messages: 40

    Going Broke

    I hear you loud & clear. Your lucky you have some savings from the summer. I'm still waiting to get paid from our october work. Starting to think about God alot. Good Luck.
     
  4. Advantage

    Advantage Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    I completely understand and have the same thoughts. It's tough; in our case snow work is 30+ percent of our revenue but when I think about getting out I remember all the hard work over the years getting it to where we are now and I'm not ready to throw that away. It will eventually snow and it will eventually turn around for those that have worked hard and care about this insane line of work.
     
  5. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    considering I hate winter ,I just don't know why I don't head to Hawaii for a few months.
     
  6. coldcoffee

    coldcoffee Senior Member
    Messages: 776

    I've been asking myself that question for 25 years, also why I'm not living someplace warmer...I sometimes just feel like a dog who likes to lick 9 volt batteries...it can be painful at times, but strangely in a demented sort of way feels rewarding. I also like the options that it provides me during the off season. There's also something to be said about driving home against morning/evening rush hour traffic...as I watch the backed up herds of cattle trying to funnel downtown...I always say to myself, at least I don't have to deal with that everyday...no thanks.
     
  7. leigh

    leigh PlowSite.com Addict
    from CT
    Messages: 1,997

    Might just as well with the winter we are having so far, you can have your seasonal checks forwarded to you there.Thumbs Up Can I come?
     
  8. Brian Young

    Brian Young PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,382

    It's all my fault guys.....went and got a dependable crew and look what happens. Personally, I'm going to start a p/t business in the winter of tying fishing flies and making fishing lures. At least it gives me a reason to be at our shop all day.
     
  9. bhmjwp

    bhmjwp Senior Member
    from kcmo
    Messages: 309

    I guess if I didn't do snow and work 10 to 12 days each winter, I would feel like a bum! This way I don't feel like a bum and still don't do much!
     
  10. BOSSMAN21

    BOSSMAN21 Senior Member
    Messages: 281

    I have thought about that, I always spend a bunch of money to get my truck ready in the fall, and every year, it pays off, but, it takes a while and then the winter seems like it goes on forever. LOL. If you like doing it, keep doing it.
     
  11. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    This is funny
    After last 3 years of pushing record snows Im glad there no snow Nice having a break from it
    I draw employment during off season so I always have money coming in
    Snow part is small part of my business Summer time is the big part
    I wouldn't even do the snow but I have year contacts The snow is a part of the contacts
    Im kinda use to no snow winters I seen few in my days
    I like see ICE easier and faster money
     
  12. ANA Proscapes

    ANA Proscapes Senior Member
    from NH
    Messages: 109

    It helps to have a good mix of seasonal and per push contracts. You get paid when it snows and you get paid when there is no snow. We plowed a couple times so far. Our biggest storm was the blizzard in October. Since then we've only salted a few times. It's rained more than anything. Good luck every one.
     
  13. Flawless440

    Flawless440 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,543

    I started when i was 14, i'm 30 now. I love it, i remember winters not going out at all cause i was a sub on a 2" trigger. This winter i have full time guys i'm still paying. We have been doing tree work with our bucket truck and other jobs i have saved for the winter. We have a large interior rehab job we are going to start soon. Do what you have to do, those bills come every week!!!!
     
  14. Philbilly2

    Philbilly2 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,634

    every day... seems like way more work than it is worth


    but for some reason you just keep doing it.
     
  15. allaspects10

    allaspects10 Junior Member
    Messages: 27

    had the oppourtunity to go to florida doing food concessions decided at the last min to stay thinkin bout goin next year even though my stuff is 100% seasonal or maybe its cause my new chevy is white lol
     
  16. cwby_ram

    cwby_ram Senior Member
    Messages: 907

    I'm with ya. Don't want to be counting on snow to pay the bills. But that's where I'm at right now. I love doing it, and would love it even more if I didn't HAVE to do it. But I've been taught many lessons in faith through the rough times. I do my best run my business for His glory and He always sees us though! Keep your chins up, everyone, there's gotta be some snow coming!
     
  17. ALC-GregH

    ALC-GregH PlowSite.com Addict
    from pa
    Messages: 1,132

    It was snowing here (south central pa) a few minutes ago. The roads are damp now. LOL Not enough to even gaze out into the yard and think, man that's beautiful. hahaha
     
  18. R.G.PEEL

    R.G.PEEL 2000 Club Member
    from Toronto
    Messages: 2,160

    My father (50/50 partner) asked me the same thing. He felt it was far too much investment and organization. He figured that we spend as much as we make during the winter. What he failed to think of was how few hours we actually work or pay employees for.

    I did an expense vs revenue projection and the margins on snow are still triple what they usually are during the summer months. The difference being that with snow there is aprox 150 hrs of work/pc spread over 5 months (30 hrs/mnth) vs the 1500 hrs of work/pc in the summer. After seeing it that way, I'd like to move somewhere that gets snow all year!!!! Snow makes up about 7-8 percent of our annual revenue so spending 5 mnths doing it seems silly. The alternative though is not working so I'll keep doing snow!
     
  19. nor'easter1

    nor'easter1 Senior Member
    Messages: 140

    We are all on this site because we make money off of the services we provide for winter. seasonal or no seasonal no one here would stay in this business if we did'nt count on snow. It's tough to have 1 truck or 40 not in use. So much time, money, worry, and sweat is used every year to get our equipment in the best working order we can, find dependable workers and do our best to provide good service and retain customers. Hang in there men something will happen.
     
  20. procut

    procut Senior Member
    Messages: 902

    * I should preface this by saying I mow and landscape in the summer.

    I've been thinking this for years. I spend so much on getting ready for winter, I wonder if I'd be better of just not doing it.

    Every year it seems like I have to buy or replace another truck, plow, spreader, snow blower or two, ect. I could go into winter with that money in the bank. If I didn't plow, I coud have two wheel drive trucks for use in the summer, way cheaper to buy initially and better milage, plus they would last longer and break down less. If I didn't plow my insurnace premiums would be less. I put out thousands for salt back it September and have barely put a dent in the pile; kind of wish that money was back in my checking accout right now.

    I think you need to know to just take the good with the bad. Last year I had a good year plowing; was able to go out and pay cash for a bunch of equipment in March and April for summer use plus used the money to pay down some other business debt. However, this year has been more of a loosing proposition. We had one 10"+ snowfall that was pure hell on November 30th. After that just a few saltings here and there - partial saltings at that, only was able to do the entire route once. The forecast will say maybe a little snow, but once that day comes it doens't happen. It usually comes as rain, it's been 35-40 degrees here almost everyday this December. The 15 day forecast shows virtually nothing as far as significant snow goes.

    So to all that have posted similar stories, I feel your pain. Keep hoping for snow I suppose.