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Commercial Bid Help

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Dhudson, Nov 9, 2013.

  1. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    Hello! I'm new to the forum and have spent some time using the search option and have learned a lot. I am getting ready to bid my first commercial job and would appreciate help bidding the job. I have an idea, but I want to see how accurate I am with my calculations.

    The bid will offer both a seasonal and a per push option. I will use a 2" trigger and am doing the work myself using a pickup with a 8'2" V plow. Entire area to be salted with a tailgate spreader.

    The figure I am using for salt is 20# of salt per 1000Sq. Feet and then I am charging 3 times my cost. (Based on what I have read on this forum)

    The green area is what will be plowed and the red is where the snow is being stacked.

    Location is NE Ohio.

    I hope this is enough info.

    Thanks in advance!

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  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    What do you have for backup/equipment first? Other then the one truck.
     
  3. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    lol That's it. Am I crazy?
     
  4. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,863

    brave maybe, cause if you take this on and fail to deliver your name wont be passed on by these guys, nor the guy that would have gotten told by this customer and so on and so on. Remember bad news travels further and faster then good news most of the time.
     
  5. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    I am brave and confident. I will not fail because failing to me is not an option. Go big or go home.
     
  6. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,863

    to me those lots look like too much for 1 pick up, I see you in ohio, but what if you get a large or heavy snow, can your 1 truck handle those long pushes, do you got other places to do cause that looks like it could take a while with 1 pick up.
     
  7. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    My understanding is the guy who is doing it now does it with an older 1500 pickup and a straight blade. I have a few other small residential accounts that I have been doing for a few years and recently sold my old truck and bought a new one. If it gets to be too much I have the means to get another piece of equipment if needed.
     
  8. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Yes, you are crazy. If you win this bid, and I hope you do, take the contract to your bank, and get a loan for $15K....at least...Then, search out and rent 2 loaders with pushers. If that can't be done, buy 2 more $7K plow rigs..
    Unless you can get a loan to buy a couple $20K loaders outright..

    Also, buy a 1.8 yard Poly Sander. A tailgate sander will need to re-filled a dozen times to do that area.
    Hire a few men to run the trucks or the loader(s).

    @ a 2" trigger, if it starts to snow for real, you will be swamped.
    You alone, in a truck with an 8-2 V, you will be fired by the end of the first real storm. There is NO WAY you can carry all that snow from one end of that 54K square foot lot to the other with that plow in a reasonable time frame.

    I will shoot from the hip here on price..don't take it for any more than a guess.


    Per 2", $600.

    Salt, per aplication, $300

    Seasonal plowing, salting included @ one app per event, and a limit of 10 calls for it, $45K...

    This assumes you get 8' a year average....
     
  9. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    I guess if you guys think it can't be done then I will hold off on this bid. I have some requests for some smaller commercial jobs but wanted to wait to see if I got this one first before I took on any other work. This is part of the reason I posted the request. To get feedback.
     
  10. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    I would open the door when opportunity knocked.

    That job can be done, but it needs more iron. So, get the job, then get the iron. Gotta bet big to win big.
     
  11. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    I'm going to go for it. If it gets to be too much I'll take care of it. I'll bet big.
     
  12. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    If get it pick up a rear blade
     
  13. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    My next question was going to be, in the event I get slammed, I could obtain some other equipment temporarily to get me through. What would you suggest, as a minimum, for additional equipment? Keep in mind, this location is not real picky about where I put the snow so as long as it's off the lot keeping in mind wind direction etc. The large parking area, on most occasions will be full as well as shifts there are constant.
     
  14. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    if you get slammed,I doubt you'll find and equipment sitting around.
     
  15. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

    extra equipment should be figure in the seasonal bid.

    I don't think a person can charge extra on a seasonal contact for pushing.

    If you break or get slammed you have to eat the extra cost of the replacement. If you can get something

    So don't lowball your bid make it worth it.
    I figure in a sub to help you on this. You could do it with 8.2 V plow but time frame you going be there way, a long time in a 6'' snow
     
  16. Dhudson

    Dhudson Junior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 14

    I have connections with a local excavating company. After you asked about other equipment, I gave him a call. He asked what I thought I might need. That's why I asked the question.
     
  17. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    All them cars will make that lot a glacier. You want big pushing power, big scraping power...

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  18. Antlerart06

    Antlerart06 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,437

     
  19. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,863

    yes a loader would be ideal.
     
  20. Mick76

    Mick76 2000 Club Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 2,157

    2 loaders for 2 1/2 ac???? really???...

    rent/buy a skid steer with a 10 foot pusher and your fine if you plow with the event..... Ive done a 3 ac site EASILY with this setup

    remember pricing is regional... theres no way I could get 45K for those lots
    ( and I get 86" seasonally) but if you can great....

    Id get a v box spreader

    Get a backup plan in order NOW..and make sure those backups are INSURED