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CDL or Not?

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by 77gmcserria, Oct 2, 2008.

  1. 77gmcserria

    77gmcserria Member
    from N/A
    Messages: 48

    I was looking at this truck and I asked the seller if you need a CDL to drive it, he said just register it under the weight limit and you wont need a CDL. Is that even legal? :confused:
     
  2. tls22

    tls22 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,263

    No, but it might be until you stop on the highway for a weight/scale check!:rolleyes:
     
  3. bigearl

    bigearl Senior Member
    Messages: 393

    It is only illegal when you get caught!:)
     
  4. ABES

    ABES PlowSite.com Addict
    from MN
    Messages: 1,322

    What kind of truck? Does it have air brakes?
     
  5. 77gmcserria

    77gmcserria Member
    from N/A
    Messages: 48

    78 Ford LN8000, not sure if it has air brakes.
     
  6. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,760

    Look up the driver's license burearu in your state and that will tell you if you need a CDL.

    Typically
    It's used commercially (some exceptions for farmers, fire trucks,etc)
    It's GVW is over 26,000lbs
    Or, you tow more than a 10,000lb trailer and the total of the trailer and the truck come to over 26,000 lbs (you could use a 20,000GVW truck adn tow a 10,000lb trailer and NOT need one)
    or there are rules on how big a combination vehicle can be (which are somewhat complex and vary by state)

    But basically, over 26,000GVW, you need one.
     
  7. 77gmcserria

    77gmcserria Member
    from N/A
    Messages: 48

    Yes it is over 26klbs GVW, but I don't what this guy was talking about, how can you register a truck under its rated GVW?
     
  8. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,904

    What he said.

    You can plate a truck for whatever you want, basically. All that does is limit the amount you can carry and\or tow. CDL requirement goes by actual GVW of truck and\or truck\trailer combo.
     
  9. 77gmcserria

    77gmcserria Member
    from N/A
    Messages: 48

    Okay Thanks, it didn't really make sense.
     
  10. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    the guy might be telling you the truth. I have heard of that before just not sure if your state is that way. or maybe it used to be that way and laws changed. course even if you can do that if you ever fully loaded it you would need a cdl anyway so you couldnt utilize the truck to full capacity unless there are no weigh stations in your area, and dot doesnt have portable scales.. Chancy..
    ditto on check with your local d.o.t.

    EDIT: Looks like when they changed the laws in 1986 to be in federal compliance the states you used to be able to do that in are no more.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2008
  11. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    if the GVW of the truck (manfacture GVW) is 26,001 or over you need a CDL.... Class B to be exact.......if you pull a trailer this would change...
     
  12. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    This right out of a Wisconsin Commercial Drivers Manual

    CDL is required when any of the following exceeds 26,001lbs

    1-Manufacturer gross vehicle weight rating (gvwr)
    2-manufacturer gross combination weight rating (gcwr)
    3-actual weight
    4-registered weight

    This should be the the same in every state
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2008
  13. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    wow guys. they had this covered before I even posted. I just remembered i had heard that somewhere and couldnt figure out if it was a federal law change or individual state laws.
     
  14. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,904

    Isn't this what I said? :confused:
     
  15. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    mark you talked about gvw only

    you can license higher than gvw in certain applications
     
  16. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,904

    Gotcha. That was because the OP was talking about plating lower to get out of CDL requirements, but you are correct. If you're going to pull a trailer, you pretty much have to plate it for higher GVW.

    Good point.
     
  17. bribrius

    bribrius PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,609

    whatever. i failed that question on gvw when i took my class b test years back. that and the "can a tire blow out cause a fire?" question.
    still passed the test though.
    got me.......

    course i also drove a truck from mass to montreal that had no reg and plates so im not the most observant person.........