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Cant' mount hte danm plow

Discussion in 'Western Plows Discussion' started by santelikk, Nov 26, 2007.

  1. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    :mad:
    I have an Ultra-mount plow and something is wrong. I drive up to the plow and the horns do not go all the way into the recievers. It stops about 2-3 inches shy, then I have to get out and wrestle the plow onto the truck. It takes about an hour to get the dang thing on.

    I am not sure if I need to raise the truck or some how adjust the plow. Looking at the instructions from western, I need the pivot ploat in configuration 1, (which they are)

    What appears to be happening is that the horns are angled upward too much, and are hitting the reciever that is why I am unable to get this connection. Is there a way to make the horns level?
     
  2. michdeere

    michdeere Member
    Messages: 87

    Have you adjusted the roll pins in the parking stands? Almost sounds like they are set too low right now. Also, the pivot plate orientation can be a little confusing. Are you sure they're correctly set up according to the receiver height measurement on the truck?
     
  3. B&B

    B&B PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,777

    I agree, sounds like either the pivot plate config is off or the roll pins in the stands are too low.
    Which hole is the roll pin in?

    Can you post a pic of the truck pulled up to the plow?
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2007
  4. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Are there supposed to be multiple holes for the roll pin? As far as I can tell there are only 2 options on being when the stand is lowered and the other when it is locked on the truck. I was thinking that if I had another hole for the shoe stand (one that I drilled) that I could get the plow level.

    I'll get some pictures tonight. I did not have much time to mess with it last night (2 jobs) I don't work tonight so I'll pull the truck up and snap some pictures.
     
  5. scottL

    scottL PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,603

    Has it ever mounted cleanly?

    I just got the ultra mount and found that if I alter the height of the plow stands from where I took it off the truck then the next time the truck pulls up the height is off. It's a massive pain :realmad: to then mount on. I've since built a large plate for the blade on wheels and found heavy duty casters for each stand leg. Now I can roll it around the garage and mount back up now with no problems and it keeps the matching height.
     
  6. JeepCreepn01

    JeepCreepn01 Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 331

    when its built there are i believe 3 different places on the PLOW side that are adjustable, you are suppose to but the truck side on first when actually installing all the brackets measure read the directions and then use 1 of the 3 holes that western says too, mine worked great last year and i lifted my truck ever so slightly over the summer, thus i had to go and tear my plow apart and change the hole, the actual foot stand sometimes wont get it up high enough, i installed my plow so i guess i was lucky and could take it all apart, not hard at all just time consuming
     
  7. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    I got the plow mounted up. The problem was in the vehicle height. I cranked the torsion bars 4 turns and all worked out. What was happening was the the lower portion of the horn was contacting the reciever and forcing the mount to roll forward.

    Now I have to figure out why the plow won't hit the ground. Attached are photos. The cap nut is hand tight and the plow won't hit the ground.

    plow5.JPG

    plow4.JPG

    plow3.JPG

    plow2.JPG

    plow1.jpg
     
  8. Daner

    Daner PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,187

    Compress the lift cylinder by hand...Push It all the way down...readjust the chain....make the chains longer...then pull the light bar (top part of the plow) towards the truck...now notice how the horns become level. :)
     
  9. B&B

    B&B PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,777

    Have you checked to see if the blade is actually hanging on the chains, or if it's hung up on something at the back of the A-frame at the pivot points? Can you manually push the lift cylinder down with the controller in float?
     
  10. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    In the pictures the chains are limp, I can press the cylinder down while in the float position by hand and the blade will not lower. Something must be binding on the lift frames.

    ? on the pivot points Are the 2 bolts that go between the pivot plates and pins supposed to be breaker bar tight? They currently are. The stand bolts were also extremely tight to the point I could not even rotate them.

    Which bolts should allow rotation?
     
  11. B&B

    B&B PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,777

    Please be very very careful around that plow with it hung up on the pivot point like that! Get a floor jack or something under the front of it if your working anywere near it!

    If it's hanging up on the A-frame pivot then somethings definitely wrong with the configuration set up then.....can you get a couple close up pics of the pivot plates and pins?
     
  12. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Will do tonight.
    Just noticed your sig. How is the mileage on the 8.1?
     
  13. B&B

    B&B PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,777

    About 20 blocks to the gallon :D

    Actually I've been keeping a very close eye on the mileage since i bought it. Around town (Read: short trips) it is consistantly 8.9 no matter what I'm using it for and 12.8 on the highway whether your running 65 mph or 90 mph cruise on or off.....

    It's basically just like the old big blocks of the past, the mpg is the same no matter how hard or easy your workin it......up hill, down hill, or off a cliff.... it's always the same.
     
  14. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Pictures of Pivot points

    11-30-07_0725.jpg

    11-30-07_0726.jpg

    11-30-07_0727.jpg
     
  15. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Is that lower bolt supposed to be a little loose, It is tight and allows no movement. at the moment.
     
  16. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    BTW I increased the chain lenghts and that did help, now it is only about 1/2" from the ground. The top edge of the reciever is right at 14.5" which is inbetween config 1 and config 2.
     
  17. B&B

    B&B PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 12,777

    Yes both the carriage bolts should be tight....the A-frame pivots on the pivot pins in the ends of the pivot bar...everything else should be tight..

    I can't see anything out of place by the pics...does anything look like it might be bent or out of place?

    I'd disconnect the chains and with some help, manually tip the lift frame forward and back while watching to see what it's binding on or getting caught on....

    I know you said that after loosing the chains a bit more that it's now only a 1/2" off the ground, but it should go at least another 4 or 5 more inches below that point , or else it's never going to follow the ground contours when in float.
     
  18. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Well I gave up on trying to figure it out and took it to a dealer. He looked it over and determined the pivot pins that go into the pivot bar are fozen up. He said he will try to salvage what he can, but I'll probably have to get new pins.
     
  19. santelikk

    santelikk Member
    Messages: 67

    Well picked up the plow and everything worked great. I was out from midnight till 6:30, then I went and did the family drivesways. Had a little hiccup when I lost power to the controler. Pulled off the plastic cover on the fuse panel and wiggled the wire and was back up and running.