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can i make liquid calcium de icer with dow flake? i need to fill 150-200gallons

Discussion in 'Ice Management' started by Kzoolawnking, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Kzoolawnking

    Kzoolawnking Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    wondering if there is a simple quick mix ratio to make liquid de-icer for a boom setup can i drop dow flake in and mix water? and input would be great. i really dont want a brine setup at my current location.
     
  2. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952



    I didnt write this. I'm just copy and pasting it. Found it on Plowsite here a couple of years ago in one of the threads. The search feature is also your friend.

    First, there is no more Dowflake (78-78%). There is only Dowflake Xtra (83-87%).

    Now put 41 lbs. of Dowflake Xtra in 8.2 gallons of water and you will end up with 10 gallons of 32% liquid calcium chloride.

    If you wanted to make 250 gallons of 32% calcium chloride, you would need 1036 lbs. of Dowflake Xtra and 206.1 gallons of water.

    Also, back to the original ?. In one gallon of water - 4 lbs. Dowflake Xtra and 0.8 gallons of water will give you 1 gallon of 32% cc.

    For winter applications, the highest you should attempt to make is a 35% solution. Anything other 35% will fall out of suspension in freezing weather
     
  3. Kzoolawnking

    Kzoolawnking Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    Thanks for the response, i usually run through 1 ton of bulk salt per event. what would you see as equivelant to that in liquid form.. ?
     
  4. terrapro

    terrapro PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,873

    Yes, I have never tried but I have heard you do need to keep it suspended.
     
  5. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    In calcium chloride brine? 200-250 gallons? Maybe.
     
  6. Kzoolawnking

    Kzoolawnking Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    i wish i knew of ANY fill stations for calcium with 30 miles of Kalamazoo, Mi that would solve my whole dilema.
     
  7. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    Only time I have had problems keeping it in suspension was when I was trying to dissolve to many chlorides in to few gallons of water.
     
  8. Kzoolawnking

    Kzoolawnking Junior Member
    Messages: 6

    do you have any idea of how many mixed gallons is equivilant to 1 ton of bulk salt? 120 gallons sound right?
     
  9. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    Well if 1 ton of salt were claimed to treat 3 acres, with my 32% liquid calcium chloride I would probably use approx 180-240 gallons
     
  10. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

    But I seldom use straight calcium chloride. I use a 90% salt brine / 10% calcium chloride mix at a cost of .17 cents per gallon at a max of 100 gallons per acre.

    I use this brine maker to make the salt brine and can also be used to make the cal chloride .......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCISUte2IwE&feature=channel&list=UL
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2012
  11. MARK SUPPLY

    MARK SUPPLY Member
    Messages: 49

    I would look in to taking some totes to get some well brine.
     
  12. szorno

    szorno Senior Member
    Messages: 308

    KZOO- check out http://www.thechlorideguy.com/ He may service your area easily. Or you might be able to get a smaller (1200-1500 gal) yard tank cheap and have him bring it.
     
  13. WildRidge

    WildRidge Member
    Messages: 80

    KZOO are you still looking for liquid calcium chloride? I offer it in 2.5, 5, 15, 55, 275, and +3000 gallon increments. Our product is unique in the fact that we have added twice the amount of a tackifier which keeps the solution active 3 times longer than other mixtures on the market. This also helps keep the product on the concrete/asphalt surface and not tracked inside your customers building. Let me know if I can help. Joe
     
  14. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. Senior Member
    Messages: 513

    Wildridge where are you located?
     
  15. WildRidge

    WildRidge Member
    Messages: 80

    I'm located in Indianapolis, Indiana.

    I can get you FOB pricing out of Spring Lake or Grand Rapids, Michigan. Which ever works best for you.

    Let me know if I can help. Joe
     
  16. Metro Lawn

    Metro Lawn PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,302

    If you get a few totes and drive up to St. Louis, MI (Michigan Chloride Sales) You can get them filled for about $40 each. I get 10 acres on a pretreat and about 5 on post treat per tote.
     
  17. upstate29353

    upstate29353 Junior Member
    Messages: 5

  18. Kubota 8540

    Kubota 8540 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,952

  19. upstate29353

    upstate29353 Junior Member
    Messages: 5


    this is what i was looking at


    First, there is no more Dowflake (78-78%). There is only Dowflake Xtra (83-87%).

    Now put 41 lbs. of Dowflake Xtra in 8.2 gallons of water and you will end up with 10 gallons of 32% liquid calcium chloride.

    If you wanted to make 250 gallons of 32% calcium chloride, you would need 1036 lbs. of Dowflake Xtra and 206.1 gallons of water.

    Also, back to the original ?. In one gallon of water - 4 lbs. Dowflake Xtra and 0.8 gallons of water will give you 1 gallon of 32% cc.

    For winter applications, the highest you should attempt to make is a 35% solution. Anything other 35% will fall out of suspension in freezing weather
     
  20. Schoenberg Salt

    Schoenberg Salt Member
    Messages: 83

    Looks good Kubota... just be sure to always add Calcium to Water and not the other way around since the reaction creates heat.