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Buyer Beware!!

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Warriorwon, Mar 17, 2005.

  1. Warriorwon

    Warriorwon Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    I posting this so that other won't have to go through what I have with Big Nate's plowing and NCLS Enterprise.
    Back on Dec 9 2004 I ordered a Meyers Snow Deflector Kit from NCLS Enterprise(Big Nate's Plowing) via Paypal for 65.83 total. the order went through Business Name "The Beach Nut Hut".Shortly after the order was placed Paypal informed me that the account was no longer able to do business. 30 days went buy and no Deflector kit arrived. I found Nate's Home # and Cell # and tried numerous times to get my deflector. I have talked to Nate's Mom, brother or sister, but never Nate. One time his brother or sister asked him "do you want to take this call or should I tell him your not here".Nate's cell phone message center has been full for over three months and I was unable to leave a message for Nate personally. Now the home # has an answering machine and I can not reach anyone personally. Nate has refused for months now to return my calls or refund my money. From the info that I received from Nate's Mommy is that the "Beach Nut Hut "is his sisters account and business that Nate was using it for his "NCLS account"
    I have had to file a fraud charge to the Ohio State Police to try to retrieve my money.Sad thing to have to do for $65.00 but its the principle of it all. If your not going to be a responsible business person than don"t be in business.
    I saw a post on the site where someone asked "where you been Nate" I think this Post might best answer that question.I suspect that I"m not the only person that Nate owes.
    Any advise that anyone can give to help me retrieve this money please reply!Any one that talks to Nate Personally please try to get him to take responsibility for his action and clean up his act.
    You have been warned about NCLS Enterprise!!!
  2. Frozen001

    Frozen001 Senior Member
    from Rome NY
    Messages: 908

    The problems with Big Nate have been brought up before, most likely you will notice this thread deleted like all the others, but maybe the brief life span of it most people will read...
  3. justme-

    justme- 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,138

    I will make a mental note about him- what's the relationship between him and this site to keep getting posts about him deleted?
    I would hate to think the masters of this site were affiliated with an alledged crooked business individual so please explain.

    as soon as Paypal told you there was a problem you should have filed a grievence with them since that is how you paid. You have 30 days to file fraud complaints with Paypal from the date of transaction relating to any purchase made through their services.
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2005
  4. The Boss

    The Boss 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,099

    He's around....

    NEUSWEDE Senior Member
    Messages: 949

    Try and talk to Paypal about it, they are a big company they should be able to get your money back and it helps paypal because it brings up to them that another person has taken advantage of Paypal and I bet paypal is suing him and the more counts against him the better and who knows you might get more than $65 back.

    If that doesn't work I would spend the money to drive to where he is at and meet with him face to face, easy enough to find where someone lives.
  6. gt_racer50

    gt_racer50 Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 484

    Well, he may be around, however he is awful quiet. Being quiet is not normally his MO. He normally has an opinion about everything and anything, but not this winter so far. How many guys on this site have had problems with him so far this winter? A bunch that I have seen. It's a no brainer, don't do business with him!!!!!!!!!!! Now or in the future. If you do, it's at your own risk.
  7. wirenut

    wirenut Senior Member
    from nh
    Messages: 507

    you all should go visit him and let him try to explain his actions
    then........ :gunsfiring: :gunsfiring:
  8. Warriorwon

    Warriorwon Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    I had a feeling that I was not the only one who might have been having trouble out of big nate.
  9. sonjaab

    sonjaab PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,425

    There is another member here from the Rome NY area that also
    bought something from Nate and has NOT recieved it either........

    I will let him remind everyone of his experience.....................geo

    What sucks tho..With most credit card companies you only have 90
    days to dispute a transaction or.....YOUR OUTTA LUCK !!!!!!!!! :(
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2005
  10. Warriorwon

    Warriorwon Junior Member
    Messages: 18

    I had a feeling that I was not the only one who might have been having trouble out of Big Nate.
    As far as the paypal complaint, I had talked to Nate's mom a couple days before the deadline an she assured me that he was working at the moment and would get back to me. Never happened! I'm a reasonable guy I ordered the deflector during the season and I tried to give Nate the benefit of dought that he might be busy, so I tolerated his short comings far longer than I should have. I'm busy also so I didn't have time to chase him and play phone tag.
    I did receive a call this afternoon from Nate's mom. She was livid to say the lest. I explained the situation for about the tenth time and for the tenth time she assured me that tomorrow Nate would take care of it. Only thing new that I heard today was if he does not he's out of there(oops) don't sound like mom wants the State Police knocking on her door.
    If the price of gas wasn't $2.00 a gallon and I wasn't having such a great year I might have considered a trip to Ohio, its not that far from Central KY.
    I'm just thankful for reverse lookup on the Internet to provide me with all the ammo I needed to make finding Nate and give the proper authorities the needed info.
    Thanks guy for all the insight and help that has come my way today on this matter. It's just a matter of time till this is over. I'll keep you posted.
  11. flykelley

    flykelley 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,124

  12. Peopleeater

    Peopleeater Senior Member
    Messages: 249


    Interesting to say the least. I'd like to hear what eventually happens. I saw one earlier this winter that was waiting for timbrens.

  13. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    I remember that thread. The person(s) kept calling him out and wanting a response. Finally, he answered and said it would be taken care of. I wondered whatever happened to that? Did it get addressed? Is this the thread that was refered to as being deleted?
  14. sonjaab

    sonjaab PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,425

    GUYS..........Come to think of it and searching the site............

    It is GONE................... :confused:
  15. Frozen001

    Frozen001 Senior Member
    from Rome NY
    Messages: 908

    It is like I said... these threads always get deleted......
  16. dlcs

    dlcs 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,142

    Did you make payment to Pay Pal via credit card? If you did, you will not have any trouble getting your money back. Just call the credit card company and file a complaint. I've had to do this with a E-bay purchase via pay pal before and i had my credit card reimbursed in about 2 weeks. I gave this same advice to Merc1100(who also got stiffed by nate) and he got his money back. See credit card companies have investigators that handle this sort of problem all the time. once they determine that you were a victim of fraud, they will reimburse your money, then they will fight it out with nate or Pay Pal to get their money. People should always pay with credit cards, when doing business over the internet, cause you have so much protection with them against fraud.
  17. sonjaab

    sonjaab PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,425

    SADLY..................Most credit card companies only give you
    90 days to dispute any charges.............. :(
  18. justme-

    justme- 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,138

    Very interesting, Warriorwon, that you got a call from his mom so quickly- guess someone is reading the board. How old is this 'kid' anyway, that his mom is taking care of his business shortcomings?

    I have had issues similar to this in the past and fortunately I have contacts in many states that I have had do follow ups for me, including knocking on doors. WarriorWon: PM me and I will see if I have any friends in the area that can follow up at his business. Shady deals are bad business for the entire site- and they corrode our reputation as a whole being plowing professionals.

    Incidentally, anyone who has been shafted in deals with him or anyone else: contact the Attorney General of that State and report the issue. The State will investigate to ensure he is a Legitimate business, not just a boy playing business owner. There are serious repercussions when someone purports to be in one business and has no licensing for such....
  19. sonjaab

    sonjaab PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,425


    Using the US Mail and sending or recieving stuff over state lines
    becomes a FEDERAL crime !!!!!!!!!!
  20. dlcs

    dlcs 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,142

    Your right.

    The thing I don't understand is why does Nate take money for something, if he doesn't have the product to ship. You don't bill someones credit card until the product gets shipped out to the customer. He stated many times that the hold up on the Timbrens was due to his supplier not getting them to him. But yet he continues to charge he customers in advance. :rolleyes: No way would i have let this go that long. I would have called the Ohio States Attorney's office.