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Boss xenon Headlights

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by RJC, Nov 25, 2001.

  1. Has anyone tried the new Boss xenon headlighhts yet? I just bought a new RT-3, but the extra $1000+ just wasn't worth it to me for xenon, but was wondering if anyone out there has tried it.

    The new (standard) headlight system Boss has developed is very nice I like the double post mounting, it makes it alot more stable and is easier to adjust.
     
  2. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    1000 dollars for headlights?

    Geoff
     
  3. SlimJim Z71

    SlimJim Z71 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,031

    I haven't tried the Boss Xenon system, but I do work on Mercedes, BMW's, and Porsche's that have these headlight systems. Yes, they look really nice. In dry conditions, they work very well. When it's wet out, it's very difficult to see in my opinion. Also, when it's snowing, the light seems to get reflected back towrds the truck more so than with regular lights.

    Just my opinions.
     
  4. Fine Lines Lawn

    Fine Lines Lawn Member
    Messages: 38

    Yikes @ $1000.00 headlights
    LOL @ SlimJim's joke :)
     
  5. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    In snow and rain the bright white bulbs actually reflect more. That is why fog lights usually spread and are often yellow. I cannot see spending that much money on lights like that. It is also blinding to other drivers which you may not care about but when they slam into you then you will be unable to plow. Get some spots up high for when in drives and lots and turn them off when on the road. Just cause you have a plow truck does not mean you should not be courtious. I cannot stand seeing cars and trucks, especially plow trucks, with headlights aimed poorly.
     
  6. Ohiosnow

    Ohiosnow Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Messages: 415

    BOSS HID lights

    Looked at them at the Dealers lot on a Chevy. Nice but not worth the money. Only $500.00 from both Dealers I talked too here in Ohio. I wish it stop raining & start snowing. It's time to start making easy money. God I love snow!!!!!
     
  7. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    The price does seem steep, but remember, they will probably out last your plow, your truck and even some of the people on this forum. Up to ten times longer than halogen. And draw 2/3rds less power, which is always a concern on plow trucks. They are also uneffected by shock and vibration, which is one thing we all know a plow light receives, because there is no filament, just an electrical arc.

    They are actually more precise since they have a square wave and if aimed properly, will not shine above the road as much as halogen since the light beam is more precise and has less light dispersion. You can actually see a horizontal line- they shine below it, but not above it. At least the ones in the Honda S2000. But then on an S2000 they are only about 2 feet off the ground. On a plow, they would be closer to 4 feet. I haven't driven the S2000 while it is snowing, so I can't say for sure whether they will or won't reflect back off the snow, but I would guess that it would be less than a halogen. At least from above the height of the lights

    There are also conversion kits to put these bulbs into older headlights, which were not designed for the HID bulb, and may be illegal. Not to mention that there are fake HID bulbs (usually more of a blue or auqa colored light.
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2001
  8. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    With a light four feet off the ground even if aimed right is still going to blind a driver sitting in a car only three feet off the ground. At some point that driver is going to cross the path of the light. Try have a flashbulb go off in you eye and you will know how bright the lights really are.
     
  9. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    Come on, they aren't as bright as a flashbulb. And they are below the DOT's maximum light output. Besides, there aren't that many cars on the road late at night when we all plow anyway.
     
  10. CT18fireman

    CT18fireman Banned
    Messages: 2,133

    Just beause we have plows on our trucks means we can be rude to others. Does your plow come off right after a storm? Mine do not. We may drive with ours most of the winter if it is snowing often enough. This is when other drivers may be blinded.

    I think the DOT is 55 watts Low and 75 High??? Not sure on these specs or what the HID are. Yes the lights are more precise but if aimed wrong they can be more blinding because of this.

    It is people that drive around with their plow lights on high, not aimed right and like they own the road during snow that cause bad relationships with the general public.
     
  11. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    That I do agree with, 100%

    That's a good point. I don't do a LOT of driving after dark (unless I'm plowing) so it didn't occur to me.

    You may as well get used to them, auto makers are putting them on more and more cars. I remember when halogens first came out. Same arguments, "they are to bright" "they are so white"
     
  12. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Even so... $1000 does seem abit steep......
     
  13. JD PLOWER

    JD PLOWER PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 751

    H.I.D. lights have been around for years in Europe and they went through the same things that we are going through now. "Too bright" "blueish tint is annoying", but they eventually became used to them since they are now mandatory in some countries in Europe. I'm not sure what carmaker it is (mercedes?) but they are now only selling their cars with H.I.D.s, you can't order halogen's even if you wanted them. I have also heard that eventually they will be replacing halogens here, but that it won't be happening anytime soon.

    Personaly I would'nt pay anywhere near a grand for plow lights, and yes I can see HID's on a plow as being dangerous if not aimed VERY CAREFULY!
     
  14. carlriv2

    carlriv2 Senior Member
    from Mass
    Messages: 126

    One problem I see with these bulbs is that the outline is so precise that as you load and uload the bed of the truck with just about anything is drastically changes the angle of the front of the truck therefore changing how the headlights are aimed. On my sanders I have the plow lights aimed low and usually need the hi-beams when the sander is empty, when the sander is full the lowbeams are up just a little high. But I do not get flashed by oncomming drivers.

    When driving the S2000 and go over even a slightly bumpy area do you notice how high the lights shine on the cars infront of you, or perhaps does oncomming traffic flash their lights. I have noticed.
     
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2001
  15. plowking35

    plowking35 2000 Club Member
    from SE CT
    Messages: 2,923

    Just a comment on what Cal mentioned in his post. In New England you will hear sanders alot referring to salt spreaders that the rest of the country is used to. That is because we are all old yankees married to sand salt mix.
    Dino
     
  16. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    Yes it does... just think how many halogen light I could put on my truck with $1000.. It would be like daylight.
    It is already happening here.
    Yea, it does sometimes shine a little high, like when coming over the top of a hill. Not to many people flash their lights..... a few, but not many.

    It's hard to explain, but they don't seem as bright when you are driving. Yes they really light up a road sign about twice as far away, but it doesn't flood the whole area with light.
     
  17. TLS

    TLS PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,425

    UMMMM, aren't these BOSS HID lights just on the HIGH beams??? The LOW beams are regular Halogens, right? I may be wrong! You should only be blinding someone when the highs are on.
     
  18. JD PLOWER

    JD PLOWER PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 751

    Dave is your states DMV making HIDs mandatory? Or are they just being sold on most of the new cars you see?
     
  19. DaveK

    DaveK Senior Member
    Messages: 420

    No not mandatory. But I did find some interesting info on Sylvania's website.:

    HID made its North American debut in 1995 on the Lincoln Mark VIII
    To operate properly, HID light sources must be used in specially designed optical systems. Since HID bulbs produce so much more light than halogen bulbs, if you replace halogen bulbs with HID you will generate an illegal beam pattern.
    Some people are putting these bulbs in factory headlights, which is illegal.

    Some motorists are concerned about what they perceive as brighter lights. Lighting specialists at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHSTA) say that some people are more sensitive to light but that HID meets the same intensity and beam pattern standards in place since 1978 (the last time the government made a major revision to its standards).

    Also, there are a LOT of imatation HID bulbs, that do have xenon gas, but not HID. They use halogen AND xenon gas in a filament type bulb. They are usually referred to as xenon bulbs and usually have a blueish tint on the bulb glass. Most people don't realize that you can't just unplug your halogen bulb and pop in a HID bulb (besides being illegal) HID bulbs require the use of a ballast that converts 12v DC into 20,000v AC.
    That is why these imposters can sell so many blueish tinted bulbs, they call them "Xenon Super White" and refer to the blueish "halo". And sell them like crazy.