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Blizzard Plows

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by John Allin, Nov 8, 2000.

  1. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    Blizzard had a booth at GIE, and a truck with a Blizzard plow. I went over it big time (had some people wonder what I was doing laying under the truck). I saw some things I didn't like much, and had quite a conversation with the rep who was there.

    He told me that they sold 1300 plows last season and didn't have any complaints about 'tweaking', or the wings not functioning, or anything like what we have all discussed on this forum.

    I'm curious..... does anyone have any first hand knowledge of anything that actually did go wrong with a Blizzard last winter ?? Or, were we just all 'thinking out loud' about what MIGHT go wrong with them....

    The things I was concerned about were that the hydralic lines to the cylinders that work the wings are enclosed in steel with a bolted on cover to the area where the cylinders are located. If the line from the pump to these cyliders blows, you have to take off the cover on the rear of the plow, then contort yourself to get a wrench in the area where the line attaches to the cylinder to get it off. LOTS of work. And, the blade bolts are countersunk into the cutting edge. If you don't have one of their bolts, your sunk. And the bolts are 4" long.

    Not user friendly at all.

    Please post of any first hand knowledge of problems that arose last year.
     
  2. DaveO

    DaveO PlowSite.com Veteran
    from Ma.
    Messages: 299

    John,

    The "blizzards" are starting to show up around here. The local "Boss" dlr is now selling them. I have not had the time to look, was curious what you saw/thought.

    The protective cover over the piston/lines may not be good for easy access. It may be good for protection of those components. Same thoughts to the special bolt heads. They may be a pain to change, but maybe there is a positive benefit that outweighs the extra labor to change. Not knocking your observations, just thinking out loud.

    If these "different" designs make their plow more reliable, then they are value added, if NOT??

    Think I'll wait a year or two and see how they perform/hold up to a tough winter or two.

    Want to buy one and let us know how they fare?? LOL...

    Dave
     
  3. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    I think the idea is good, but I'm not ready to be the one to work out the bugs for them.

    Personally, when something breaks down in 5 degree, blowing snow conditions - I don't want to be lying for too long on my back trying to operate a closed end wrench for a half hour with no gloves on. Not my idea of fun.

    However.... that aside, the plow concept shown by the Blizzard sure looks like a good idea in theory. Sure hope it works in practice.
     
  4. snow

    snow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 1,002

    <b>first off- i have no experience with the plows.</b> I have gotten info about the truck ones and the skidsteer ones along with the video. The concept looks great, but i don't know how well it will hold up. For example- where i live (greenwich,ct-no i'm not a rich kid) we tend to get more wet snows due to the geographic location, and i could imagine guys trying to push a full load of wet snow in the scoop position. someone brought this up a while ago , and someone said that they had a friend with one,and they said it got messed up. i'd wait until they get the flaws out until i try one.

    just my $.02

    Bryan
     
  5. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    I tried to get a better look at them at their web site, but it's under construction. http://www.blizzardplows.com I can see why they had to use the countersunk bolts. At first after reading your post, I figured "no big deal" since you can torch them off like most people do, then after visiting their site, I see why you <B>have</B> to use countersunk bolts.
    As far as the steel covers, I'd hate to see what's under one after a year or two of use. I'd also hate to not be able to inspect the lines prior to use each time too. I can't say I have seen any around here in use yet. After the first snow, maybe I will have seen one or two who knows.

    ~Chuck
     
  6. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    I looked at those plows over at S.A. Macleans up in Maine. I like the concept but I'd sit on it a while before I'd put my money down.

    As for the countersunk bolts, they are most likely "plow bolts" (imagine that :) ) and should be available at almost any urban commercial hardware supplier. My Woodward Co. (Albany, NY) catalog shows 4" plow bolts in several diameters as a stock item.
     
  7. landscaper3

    landscaper3 Senior Member
    Messages: 309

    I like the Hiniker plow tips over for back dragging that to me would be more usefull. http://www.hiniker.com
     
  8. landscaper3

    landscaper3 Senior Member
    Messages: 309

    S.A Macleans is only 1/2hour from our house in Maine we also bought a 1ton off him years ago. he advertises in http://www.unclehenrys.com alot under construction he has some big rigs up here.
     
  9. Chuck Smith

    Chuck Smith 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,317

    The only thing I didn't like when I looked at the Hinniker "C Plow" is the piano hinge that runs the length of the moldboard. The pin looks to be about 1/4" diameter. Maybe 5/16", it might be strong enough.....
    I saw a demo of the plow when ny snow pros had the BBQ in Sept. Hinniker had a rep there with a C plow. It also seemed you'd need the optional "skid" kit for the top on the sides, to help trap snow for backdragging. The rep said you don't "need" them, but I think you would.

    ~Chuck
     
  10. landscaper3

    landscaper3 Senior Member
    Messages: 309

    I think with Hiniker plows all should wait a year as of the Blizzards im sure they have all the problems as car manufactures have with new model releases, wait a year for the bugs to be corrected and that Hiniker plow may be the top dawg.
     
  11. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    Well I won't be able to give first hand knowledge as I won't buy one. I have plowed with one, though.

    The 4 guys I know who DID buy them, 3 said it'd be their last and the other 1 was unopionated.

    I know they sold far less than expected here and the dealer has most of his stock left from last year and isn't getting any more for this season.

    1300 sold, half those might still be sitting at dealers like here. They have been HEAVILY marketed. But I'm always surprised at many folks disregard for the value of time. i.e. They won't spend and extra $800 even if it increased productivity by 30%.
     
  12. John Allin

    John Allin PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,327

    I never thought to ask if that was 1300 in the hands of operators, or to the dealers. That would make a big difference in the comment. 1300 at dealer sites wouldn't have many problems come to light ("Didn't have ANY problems with the operation of the plows..... although they didn't leave the dealer's site, so the statement rings true" in a certain distorted sort of way). Would be interesting to know the answer to the question, don't you think??
     
  13. Lazer

    Lazer Senior Member
    Messages: 399

    2 more things:

    1.) After only 1 winter (A LIGHT, la nina winter, no less) just isn't enough plowing to offer a good report.

    2.) Unless he was a highly unusual rep, I've never had one ever disclose any difficulties with their selected equipment. Some outright lie, some are uninformed, some slant the truth while many minimize any problems they DO have because they're not the ones lying under a dripping truck at 5:00am fixing it.