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Big Rig

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by Mike_Smith, Sep 1, 2000.

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  1. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    What do you think about using a big rig with a tight turning radius like the kenworth T-800 for plowing? Obviously just using the cab and dump body, no load.
     
  2. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    You will need 2or3 three tons or it will helpless.If I get an account that I am working on I will be putting a 11 ft blade on a 96 mack ch612 that has a 13 ft body on it.I already have a 1999 mack rd that has this blade on it. We do opening runs at our large commercials and then take them to the local airport to do runways. If you plan on using them for any thing but large commercial it can get a bit tight in places, anything is doable if you have a good driver.If the truck is a tandem I will be to long for alot of places,but tandem are just about like having 4x4 if they have a lockig diff. If it is only a single I would have a set of chains available just in case.AS for the truck I have all macks but I realy like the T800,its a comfortable truck,nice size cab and KW makes good trucks. Our trucks have between 350 and 400hp w/ a 8LL trans , and with a load on they will move some major snow.Last year one of my drivers and I were plowing the main runway at the airport,we both rounded the corner together he in a tandem mack rd and I in a 97 topkick single w/190 hp he just left me straining to see his tail lights, he was pulling away that fast w/a loaded blade the whole way.As for hunting you might try http://www.truckpaper.com,also KW makes a model called a T300 which would be my prefrence,checkem out on that web page
     
  3. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    Ok thanks

    What do you mean by tandem? What do you mean by 2 or 3 tons or it will be helpless? Is it possible to use a T-800 with dump on residential driveways as well. I have a very skilled driver. Also, what size plow can these big rigs handle?
     
  4. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    You need 2 or 3 ton of weight to keep traction. They can handle a 10' blade no problem. Residential drives no way, no matter how skilled your driver is.

    Geoff

    [Edited by GeoffDiamond on 09-02-2000 at 12:30 AM]
     
  5. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    Tandem is two axles and like Geoff said residential is a big no way(single or tandem) not only because of manuverability but also weight will be a problem and cracking a driveway will cost big.
     
  6. snow

    snow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 1,002

    a little big!

    mike_smith ,
    first of all welcome to the forum. for a newbie you seem a little jumpie to get into some big plow rigs. a big plow truck is good for things like commercial and industrial and plowing highways. but residential is out of the question. unless you have the truck already, i wouldn't buy one or use one for plowing unless you were plowing big stuff. the state of ct pays about $135 an hour for plowing. if you own that truck, see if you can sub for towns or big contractors.


    bryan
     
  7. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    Totally impossible?

    I do own the truck already and I'm wondering if it is totally and utterly completely impossbile or just not the best thing to do residential driveways? I don't want to buy another truck and I really love that truck so selling; no way. I would sub, but I really want to do my own thing though, so I can pocket all the money and set my own hours ect. I don't care about cracking pavement since I have that in my contract that I take no liability and it would almost never crack it because I wouldn't be carrying a load and the weight is more evenly distrubed than cars ie(3 axles). I am planning on doing commercial work, but not the first year for my buisness. Please tell me if its a complete impossibility with my kenworth. Thanks ahead. Its a 158 inch wheelbase so its a small wheelbase. Doesn't have sleeper or anything, just day cab with dump body.
     
  8. snow

    snow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 1,002

    sorry mike, but there's no way your plowing driveways with a beast like that. the weight of the truck'll crush it. if you want to get a plow for the truck and just plow small roads or commercial accounts, look into a big plow like a Viking or Tenco.Geoff will saw a 10' fisher for sure, but you need like an 11' plow to clear the wheel width. call universal welding , they sell viking plows. also, look in the big truck and equipment trader. if you get a 1-way, you only need a small pump, and you can take the head gear off for the summer. if you want to sand, you need a central hydro system. if you do sanding, get a undertailgate spreader.


    email me at BKrois@aol.com if you want to know of some plows for sale.


    Bryan
     
  9. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    You ask, we tell, you don't listen

    Mike, you've already been told that it is totally impractical to use that truck in residential service. Maybe not impossible, but then again, very little is impossible, just real hard to do.

    Set your own hours? Mother Nature is going to do that for you and you will have no choice!

    If you're so set on plowing with it you would be way better off to work for a municipality until you get a clue of what is involved,

    So what if you have a bulletproof contract, you won't have the customer after you tear the place up. Incidentally, ground pressure is equal to tire pressure, which is probably about 100 PSI on your rig. Don;t bother debating that, the agricultural people have determined that doing studies on soil compaction with tractors, same gravity applies to both.

    You WILL be plowing with a load or you WILL be stuck! I don;t care how good your driver is, once you get a little snow under those tandems you won't have traction. Have you ever driven that rig in snow? From what you're trying to tell us it seems apparent you have not.

    I'm setting up a single axle, 5 yd dump with a big plow, but it will get used only on private streets and large lots, no way is it suitable for residential work, too big, too clumsy and too slow.
     
  10. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 2,266

    Ok

    I have an F 650 and (another F 650 and a F 750 on the way), it dose a great job on commercial. It will not do residential. Big Trucks will not do the residential thing. I have Some L 9000 twin, and tri axles, and they don't plow. The turning radius, is just too big.

    Forget about a contract that protects you from liablity, it won't hold up in court. You need insurance incase you hit the car with your plowing going down the road, as well as a million other reasons.

    As far as pocketing money, it can be done for residentials ( i don't do it), but know many who do. You have no chance in pocking money from commercial accounts ( at least in the form of cash)

    My advice for that truck. Find some private roads, get a 10 or 11' plow, sander. Plow some private roads. That truck is too big to do all the work on most lots, so there would be a lot of snow left. If not work as a sub for a town or state.

    Don't forget the snow sets your hours, not you.

    Geoff
     
  11. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    Impossible,No, but wow what a pain,I do know were you are coming from and if you already have this truck it has great potential for being a serious snow mover.But I am really having a hard time getting even remotely excited about someone doing residential drives with one.I would never send a truck that weighed as much as even my small 13ft ch mack with the small plowing load it carries to do a residential drive.Also I dont care what your contract says, you show up to my house with that truck and cracked my drive you would be paying for my drive.Its not that your going to drive down the middle and pulverize the concrete as you go but edges and exsisting cracks are going to take a beating,most of all its not responsible to your clients.If you have this truck and want make money with it find a city that subs out some of their work or even a subdivision that own their streets and try to get some work out of them.
     
  12. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    Subbing

    How would I go about subbing or finding subdivisions?
     
  13. Alan

    Alan PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,393

    Get on the phone, call the surrounding township offices and ASK!
     
  14. kutnkev

    kutnkev Junior Member
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    mike,
    i dont know sqat about plowing, however i drive a tandem axel kenworth every day of the week some w/ day cab and a trailer some w/ roll-off dumpsters. LISTEN TO ME you r not going into a residential area with that truck in snow and not do damage to something. turn too tight, there goes a manhole cover-cement and all! you can break down a curb just by backing onto it. listen to the snow pros! these guys know snow why do you think they have a seperate forum from lawns? and if you don't trust their knowledge on big trucks take it from a realife class-a cdl driver w/ all endorsments-DONT DO IT!
     
  15. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    I am listening

    I am listening. I know their the pros thats why I asked about subbing. I know I can't use that truck now. One other question if you don't mind. If I traded in my truck for a
    T-300(medium duty kentworth) single axle with dump body would that be a possible choice for plowing. I really love the big rigs!
     
  16. snow

    snow PlowSite.com Veteran
    Messages: 1,002

    have you read the other posts, everyone is giving you advice on the kenworth, reread it and then tell us your descision. if you want to know of some plows for sale in CT, email me at BKrois@aol.com.

    Bryan
     
  17. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    T300 would be much better for your stage of plowing,as far getting jobs for the bigger trucks start calling, towns are growing and many times there budgets cannot keep up with the amount of new streets they have.So check and find out If they are subing,if they already are call that person, if they don,t have space for you there is a good chance that they have already turned down someone they can put you on to.I like the BIG trucks to ,but before I spend the BIG bucks I 'd be sure I had accounts so I didn't make a BIG mistake.I guess I would say if your selling a T800 to buy a T300 to plow snow there needs to be other year round work and established snow removal accounts with signed contracts for appropriate amounts. What those are for your area you might want to ask Geoff,I know its more there.
     
  18. Mike_Smith

    Mike_Smith Member
    Messages: 45

    Thanks alot for the info

    I've decide I'm going to trade my truck and get some cash for it to by getting a peterbilt 330 single axel(medium duty) which should be descent for residentials and great for next year when I start doing commercial. I really like the peterbilt design. I like the kentworth for class 8 trucks, but for the medium duty I really like that peterbilt 330. Now my other question is, should I get a van body or a dump body? I was thinking of a van body because it would easy to carry around lawn equipment when I do the summer landscaping that I'm planning on doing. Also, I like having it for carrying around hockey nets when I play on the ponds. What do you guys think van or dump? Oh, and for you guys who don't know truck pricing and think I'm spending a fortune, I'm not. A good used one will run me 20,000 with the plow and everything. Obviously I'm not going to buy the truck until after I get the accounts. Oh, I have my current truck registered as an rv. When I do snow plowing with a truck over 26,001 GVWR, will I need a cdl? Actually I don't no what GVWR for the peterbilt is because their stupid site doesn't even list GVWR! Its a class 7 so its probably over 26,000, but I forget the weight ratings for the classes. So what do you think about the truck? If you guys want to check out the truck goto: peterbilt.com
    I really like this truck.
     
  19. diggerman

    diggerman Senior Member
    from Ames
    Messages: 700

    Ok since we can not seem to talk you out of a truck of this size for doing residential I am willing to play along.First of all you will have a very hard finding a 330 for 20,000 w/ a plow.The model is only a year or two old(buy the way it is the same as a KW T300 just a little diff front and the 330 is avaialble w/ a heavier front axle)so you better plan on more like 60.Also, Im wondering how much plowing you have done because the dump body,van body question really makes me wonder.The big truck is bad enough but to have a huge tree limb smashen low visability in the way over hang catchen car denten can't see backen hunk of aluminum and lumber strapped to the back of your truck is is is just crazy.There is no way to effectively use this truck with out a dump body,and the van body,well I said my peace about that,but you will cause more damage than you make money.I really think you need to evaluate your current understanding of the snow removal business and the direction you are heading and where you would like to be in 2or3 years.I am not in favor of all the pricey one ton trucks that alot of the guys on this forum recommend but it would seem it would be in your best intrest to look in to one of these in an auto with the biggest motor you can buy.You will get all the power, all the noise and bad ride yet be able to do what you want.Lastly if you do not have a cdl you will most likely need a qualified driver,with him come physicals,drug testing,dot inspection,logs,etc,alot more work,and even if you do this your self this applies
    So think hard before you do something that 4 mo from now you'd wished you wouldn't
     
  20. GeoffD

    GeoffD PlowSite.com Veteran
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    I agree with what is stated above. You want to plow a drive, get a one ton dump, no cdl required. Most residential people flip out when they get plowed with a 1 ton, thats why most of mine are done with pick ups. I hate to see what they would do with a Big Rig in the yard.


    How do you own this big rig, and not have a cdl?

    Why dose this whole mind set sound like a previous converation?


    Geoff
     
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