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Bidding Help

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Redman726, Nov 11, 2014.

  1. Redman726

    Redman726 Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    I am bidding on a lot, all open with no islands or walkways that wraps around the north side of the building into some back area. Total area is about 96,000 sq ft, little over 2 acres.

    Keep in mind, It's just me doing this.

    They want plowing and salting broken down seperately which makes me believe if i screw up one or the other they'll go elsewhere. Business is business. But, I'm not sure if I want to salt the lot because they want some less abrasive application as their lot has some areas with some holes, none deeper than an inch or two or wider then a foot.

    I'd estimated about 2-3 hours @ about $250 just for plowing first 2".

    My questions are,

    What would you think you'd charge for this with salting (also what alternatives to salt are there that are non overly-abrasive) and

    What would you charge if you'd be getting a 4-6" storm for plow price. Do you just keep doubling or do you up it after a certain accumulation?

    *Central Ohio
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2014
  2. cdmckane

    cdmckane Member
    Messages: 39

    I bid all of my jobs on a per push basis. It doesn't matter if there's 2" or 6" when I arrive it's the same price and I take that into consideration when quoting the job. However, I do charge every time I show up to plow. I don't do per season or per storm pricing, because I don't want to do work that I'm not getting paid for and my customers don't want to pay for work that they're not getting.

    96K is roughly 2 acres, so I'd be charging around $300 for plowing. Sorry, I can't help you on salting as I am just now getting into deicing myself.
  3. JustJeff

    JustJeff PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,932

    Address so I can look at a satellite view of it?
  4. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Less abrasive? Like what, Nerf balls? Do they want traction, or just ice control?
  5. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,703

    150 ish for me without seeing an areial shot.
  6. Redman726

    Redman726 Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    Here's the google map area outline view of what he wants done.

    They want ice control, but the guy running the joint said someone told him about something other than salt that does the same job. :rolleyes:

    I said i'd look into it.

  7. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    $150 to plow 2+ acres? That is sub plow rate IMO...$75/ hour. No thanks.
  8. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Being fairly wide open, and relatively easy, I would be about $275 a push...and I would feel like I underbid at that price...but that is my market and pushing with 9'6" V with wings...that lot is perfect for the wings. Time saver.
  9. Redman726

    Redman726 Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    Maybe more like 300 then?
    What do i do to figure a charge for salt pricing. Ive read it can take a half ton per acre to salt.
  10. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    I can't tell you what your market will bear, but myself, here, with my rig, I would want at least $250 just to push it once. Salt, heck, I am only guessing, but I will say $180 plus the cost of materials?

    It doesn't mean much, but I can tell you that I have 3 accounts that are all about 3/4 of an acre in size, but a bit more complicated to plow than this...and I get $170/$170/$150 for them per push. The $150 lot is lower than the others only cause it is paved and more open. Each takes right around 45 minutes with 6 to 8 inches.
    Only guys in your zip code can tell you what your market can bear, but I will say that anything under $100 per hour and you are not making any profit. I define profit as money above and beyond all expenses, including maintenance, fuel, coffee, supplies, insurance, travel time, AND my own pay for my time in the truck at $20/ hour...
  11. hellion

    hellion Member
    Messages: 52

    Buswell Forest has got it right!
  12. QualityNY

    QualityNY Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    Helpful feedback here, thanks guys!
  13. John_DeereGreen

    John_DeereGreen PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,703

    Sorry, I had a ******* attack here apparently.

  14. jbsplow

    jbsplow Senior Member
    from -
    Messages: 124

    i would bid it a little higher somewhere in the 300-400 range. ask them to get a bid from a big landscape company don't sell your self short. depends what you wanna make lol
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2014
  15. Wayne Volz

    Wayne Volz Senior Member
    Messages: 694

    sounds like plowing is under control

    Other options for material are:
    A- Treated material sodium chloride which reduces volume per 1,000 square feet
    B- Magnesium Chloride
    C- Calcium Chloride

    Calculate the volume necessary at 10 - 12 pounds per 1,000 square feet. The other option would be liquid applications.

    Price the application based on your cost for material utilized plus margin, plus truck and spreader charge.
  16. Redman726

    Redman726 Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    Good info, thanks
  17. Redman726

    Redman726 Junior Member
    Messages: 8

    The guy who owned the place was one of those bargain hunter types. I didnt undersell the bid but he may have gone elsewhere. Oh well