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Bidding help needed. Here's the lot(link).

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by DesMoines2500, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. DesMoines2500

    DesMoines2500 Senior Member
    Messages: 118

  2. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    First and foremost you need to find out what it will cost you per hour to run your trucks. It looks like a fairly quick lot to plow if you just circle the building a few times and then go back and tuck your corners and clean up. General rule of thumb I go by is an acre per hour with a pickup truck. I measured this lot using findlotsize.com and it came out to be about .8 acre. You should easily be able to do this lot with one truck in less than hour. Figure how long you feel it will take you, times what you want to make per hour, figure in a little extra and ther you go.
     
  3. DesMoines2500

    DesMoines2500 Senior Member
    Messages: 118

    Our trucks cost us $20 an hour avg last year with insurance, fuel, repairs(est). I think I'll have that down below $15/hr this year after some repairs and maintenance.

    I was thinking bidding $120 per push, and $80 plus materials for shoveling and sand/salting.

    $200 per push with everything.
     
  4. truckitup

    truckitup Senior Member
    Messages: 257

    When you are plowing Fuel will cost you between $13-17 per hour.
     
  5. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    I see no way your trucks only cost you $20 an hour. On the low end you will burn 4 gal an hour plowing. 4 gal x $3.50/gal ( if your lucky) = $14/hr just in fuel. I know you have more than $6 an hour in insurance and repairs.
     
  6. OldSchoolPSD

    OldSchoolPSD Senior Member
    Messages: 242

    Don't forgot replacement cost. Those trucks won't last forever, you need to be making enough money to be able to replace them.

    Thats where the lowball guys screw up. They get enough to pay for fuel and put a few bucks in their pocket, then they blow a trans and they're out of business.
     
  7. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,550

    Wow, 20$ an hour.....real cost is close to triple that.
     
  8. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    Glad I am not the only company with trucks that cost me $50+ an hour.
     
  9. DesMoines2500

    DesMoines2500 Senior Member
    Messages: 118

    Sooo, that's all great info an all, but my trucks are all fully depreciated and don't cost much an hour to run.

    $120 per push, and $80 plus materials for shoveling and sand/salting?

    $200 per push with everything?
     
  10. Big Dog D

    Big Dog D PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,134

    I'd do it for $125.
























    That way you will be the absolute biggest lowballer out there.
     
  11. born2farm

    born2farm 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,310

    Fully depreciated has nothing to do with it. Fuel, maintenance, insurance and replacement costs have nothing to do with your trucks being fully depreciated. It WILL cost you more then $20 an hour to run your truck. You should figure up what your real hourly cost is before bidding on anything. I may be coming off as an a** hole, but this is why the pricing in so many snow markets is so low. Most guys don't take the time to figure out how much it actually cost.
     
  12. OldSchoolPSD

    OldSchoolPSD Senior Member
    Messages: 242

    are your trucks remote control? I'm pretty sure it costs money to put and ass in the seat as well.
     
  13. OldSchoolPSD

    OldSchoolPSD Senior Member
    Messages: 242

    Fwiw I get $98/hr for my pickups and $113/hr for my duallys. All told I profit less hourly than my regular shop rate. My trucks and equipment are all paid for, depreciated, whatever. For any less I'll just sit on my nice warm couch and have a little chuckle at the guys that think they're getting rich at $50/hr.
     
  14. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,550

    200.00 for the hour is good, but you're thinking of 180.00 as profit is incorrect.

    Let's try some raw numbers

    Driver 15.00 per hour
    Gas/fuel 15.000 per hour
    Wear/tear/plow replacement 10.00
    Cost towards newer eqm 5.00
    INS. 10.00

    Just a raw guess and yes these numbers are off the top of my head plus I didn't include other line items.