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Best way to Remove 300000 square feet of ice

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself to the Community' started by miker4312, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. miker4312

    miker4312 Junior Member
    Messages: 3

    I am in Dallas TX where there is no snow plow business. I was called by a company up north to look at a parking lot of a Distribution center full of stuck delivery trailers. The ice was 5 inches thick in most places and they had shut down the whole center. They wanted the whole thing salted and broken up and removed. Because of the Super Bowl being here this week Salt was being sold for 900 dollars a ton and Potassium Chloride even more. Front end loaders were my choice but it was too slow on other jobs and I don't think it would have done it. No one has snow plows. The guy who got the job charged 90000. Was this fair? How much should it have been?
     
  2. JB1

    JB1 Senior Member
    Messages: 178

    if you don't usually have situations like that and prices like that for salt and potassium, and you have a business that needs to be open and going, probably yes.
     
  3. Rc2505

    Rc2505 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,245

    Any price is fair for snow and ice in the south. Even if you would have used 7 tons of salt at 900 dollars a ton that would have cost you 6,300 dollars. Then if you brought in a wheel loader without a pusher or anything and figured you could clear 1/2 an acre an hour it would have taken about 14 hours to do. Cost the loader out at 200 dollars an hour that would have been 2,800 dollars. So the salt and loader would have been less than 10 grand. Kind of makes me want to pack my equipment and move to Texas, lol.
     
  4. Burkartsplow

    Burkartsplow PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,245

    Get all the drunk Pittsburgh and Greenbay fans and takt then to the site and let them take a nice long piss. ......
     
  5. C&T Landscaping

    C&T Landscaping Member
    Messages: 49

    :drinkup::drinkup: Drink up!!:laughing:
     
  6. IMAGE

    IMAGE Sponsor
    Messages: 1,741

    **** if i knew it salt was goin for that much i would of sent a bunch down.
     
  7. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    Dallas snows



    The problem with your situation is that it was a
    freak occurance-referred to as a "Force Majouer".


    Front end loaders dont work on ice period because
    thay have no ballast in the tires or snow chains on
    all four tires.

    The same applies to 4 wheel drives with no spin
    differentials so your done before you start.

    The only successfull way is to have an older
    all hydraulic crawler with finish treads and a
    surplus jet engine mounted on it with a cab
    elevated above the crawler and jet engine.
    and to the side of the crawler.






    Considering deep mined salt could be obtained
    from Morton in Grand Saline, Texas or from
    United Salt in Hockley, Tx., at the Hockley Mound
    on Warren Ranch Road for less than one
    tenth of this price; this price per ton was
    obscene and gouging and the contractor
    will be visiting the "Dallas County
    Jail" as a guest within a short time I would
    bet for sure once the district attorney in
    Dallas County hears about it.


    The only way to remove this much ice is with a
    kerosene fired jet engine powered snow and
    ice melter which we have several up here for
    the railroads to clear switches and crossings.
     
  8. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    This one has to take the cake. :dizzy::dizzy::dizzy::dizzy:
     
  9. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985



    :laughing::laughing:.....................Leon, What are you Smoking
     
  10. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985

    Kerosene Fired Jet Engine........That is some Funny Stuff.....:laughing::laughing:
     
  11. woodchuck2

    woodchuck2 Senior Member
    Messages: 304

    $90k???? Damn!!! I would have laid the salt down about 1" thick and waited a few hours, then go after it with a loader. I mini-ex with a hammer attachment would have been good for the thicker spots.
     
  12. leon

    leon Senior Member
    Messages: 872

    ice etc.

    weeeeell if you dont believe me you won't believe that CONRAIL and now CSXT who inherited this equipment from them uses jet engine powered snow blowers to burn out and remove ice and snow in both the Albany and Buffalo N.Y.switch yard and there are several videos of the machines doing it on youtube.

    They have a bunch of MIG engines attached to old tanks to get rid of snow in Moscow, Russian Republic as well.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2011
  13. nms0219

    nms0219 Senior Member
    Messages: 445

  14. goel

    goel PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,079

    So Leon, what holds the jet engine in the parking lot?

    I get the railroads using them, the tracks hold the machine down.
     
  15. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985



    Its Not that i Don't Believe you Leon....I know they Exist....But, I dont think the average joe can get there hands on one for Melting ice on a parking lot....
     
  16. WingPlow

    WingPlow Senior Member
    Messages: 634

    wow, theres sure some "novel" ideas here....

    how bout you go in and salt her up good, let it sit a while and find a couple graders
    and go a scraping
     
  17. Plow man Foster

    Plow man Foster PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,153

    I'll come down and salt everything for 10K :drinkup:
     
  18. Matson Snow

    Matson Snow PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,985



    If you read the OPs post........Salt is $900 a Ton due to a few factors...He is looking for alternative ideas.....

    Thanks for the Salting idea...I don't know if anyone would have come up with the idea to Salt Ice........Thumbs Up
     
  19. jomama45

    jomama45 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,172

    They just get better.............. :laughing:
     
  20. PTSolutions

    PTSolutions PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,533

    as for the loaders being useless on the ice, aren't you starting on one end and peel away as you go?? thereby allowing the machine to work on cleared pavement?? i dont get this, surely there are no shortages of 3yd plus payloaders down there. rent a couple from sunbelt and go to town.

    900 a ton!!! shoot, ill ship the remainder of mine i bought at 68 and pay full price of 90 for whatever else ill need this season.