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Ballpark on this job

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by J.R. Services, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

  2. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

    Bump.......
     
  3. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    Sorry man, I can't figure out which one it is. If you do some searching on the site, you will quickly realize that pricing is very localized. You said driveway, but then mentioned parking areas. Is this residential or a commercial. For a guy in Maine to give you pricing might be foolish. Fewer storms per year usually means higher prices.

    You should put the street address in. It will help pinpoint the property.
     
  4. salopez

    salopez Senior Member
    Messages: 873

    Do you have any measurements for us? We are willing to help but you need to help us help you.
     
  5. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

    Address: 13321 Cearfoss Pike Hagerstown, MD 21740-1614
    Each parking lot (4) is approx 50x300
    Thanks for the replies
     
  6. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    $1-$5,000 per push.

    $.50-$500 for salt
     
  7. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    You must mean the school? On the same side as the church and storage buildings? The parking lots are about 1 1/2 acres total. Should take you less than two hours, depending on the truck/plow. Looks like the road is about 800 feet. The road might take 10 minutes to make two up, two down. I would allow two hours to be safe. Depending on the hourly rate down there could be anywhere from $200 to $400 per push.
     
  8. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

    The going per hour rate is around $125-$150 including salt. At first I gave $350 for first removal of each storm and $300 per each subsequent one, but later gave an hourly rate. This was my first snow bid, didn't think I was that far off?
     
  9. 2COR517

    2COR517 PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,115

    What does that mean? You plow for two hours, then put down almost a ton of salt in 15 minutes for $250? Ouch.

    You new guys get throw a fit when we get grumpy. Then you pull a stunt like this.:realmad:

    If you gave an hourly price, why does it matter what we come up with for an estimate? If you gave a fixed price, there might be value to us helping, but not now.

    To top it all off, you never told us what your hourly bid was.....

    Can I send you a bill for my time trying to figure out where the building was because you couldn't clearly identify/explain where it is?
     
  10. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

    To start, I did not through a fit. I also through out a flat rate first and then just recently started asking around for an hourly rate. And i'm also not sure if they wanted a flat rate or an hourly. Sorry if I offended anyone or wasted your time. I'm just trying to figure things out
    Sorry forgot to mention I'm using a standard cab 1988 F-250 7.3l 5spd with a 7.5' Meyer Plow and a meyer s1075p spreader. I gave 500 for the spreader, good deal?
    So looking at 220-230 w/ salt? or charge .40/lb salt extra?
     
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2009
  11. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992


    Including supplying salt:eck: I can dump $150 worth of salt in fifteen minutes
     
  12. cj7plowing

    cj7plowing Senior Member
    Messages: 382

    I think that you are going to be kicking yourself. as a couple others stated unless you are buy salt in major bulk you will dump over $100 worth of salt there easy. you arent going to be making much if you are charging hourly. 2 hours of plowing for under 300 bucks plus salt? that lot would be an easy 500 to 600 up to 5" here.

    Do yourself a favor and bid either flat rate for small parking lots and drive ways and per inch plus salt for the bigger ones. Its usually a flate rate up to 4" to 5" the plus every inch over.

    you cant plow for 2 hours and make $100 bucks if you do, you wont be in the buisness very long. Not when you own the company, that pay would be fine for driver but not when you have insurance, overhead, wear and tear on the truck,plow and salter.

    Not to sound harsh but you will be a one year wonder
     
  13. J.R. Services

    J.R. Services Senior Member
    Messages: 141

    so my first flat rate estimate of $350 for first removal upto 3" plus $300 per each removal of up to 3" after that plus .40/lb salt is better?
     
  14. cj7plowing

    cj7plowing Senior Member
    Messages: 382

    yes and you will have to come up with a rate per inch over. I bet you will go thru over 200 of salt easy. This way you will never get hurt on the price and once you find the best way to plow the lot it will go faster and there for you make more money. you have to remember salting is a service on top of the snow plowing you are providing and not all customers want it, but most commercial places will require it.


    for instance I have a parking lot that is a 100ftx100ft it gets sunlight for maybe 3 to 4 hours a day and they want to see blacktop. On a couple occasions it has started snowing in the morning and carried thru the day and by the time all the cars leave at night it is 1/2 compacted even with my heavy plows I can get it up. I have had occasions where I had to dump 300 pounds of rock salt and 100 pound of calcium chloride or mag, so the lot would be clear. Now when I have put that much down is charge for the material at retail and a flat rate for spreading. so I can show them that more than rock salt was needed to clean the lot.
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2009
  15. cretebaby

    cretebaby PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 4,162

    Oh $800/ton for salt is a great price, just a little unrealistic.
     
  16. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Why do you think I gave him the figures I did?

    Not even worth bothering with this question, it's ridiculous no matter how you look at it.
     
  17. salopez

    salopez Senior Member
    Messages: 873

    PM me if you want some more local information.

    keep your salt prices seperate from plowing, so you don't get screwed in an ice storm.

    you have to watch out for hagerstown lowballers...maybe they come down myway and leave good contracts in hagerstown who knows!
     
  18. Scott's

    Scott's Senior Member
    Messages: 416

    You hit it on the head, great job.