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Backhoe or Loader

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment' started by DJs Lawncare, Jan 9, 2008.

  1. DJs Lawncare

    DJs Lawncare Member
    Messages: 90

    Which do you guys think is better for pushing snow. A backhoe or payloader. I have the oportunity to bid on a good size warehouse. If i can get the contract, I was thinking about buying a backhoe. But somebody told me that if you are doing a bigger place then you want to get a 3 yard payloader. Just wondering everybody's opinion.
     
  2. powerjoke

    powerjoke PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,341

    wheel loader by a long shot!!!!

    we don't load our dump trucks with a back-hoe but a wheel loader is not a good choice for digging a trench
     
  3. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    I agree the wheel loader is much better but for the place you want to do the backhoe will be just fine. Go with a steel trip box if you can. Semi's really pack the snow down ans rubber has a hard time scrapping it off.
     
  4. Peterbilt

    Peterbilt Senior Member
    from IA.
    Messages: 745

    Wheel loader. More weight, can handle a bigger pusher.

    Get a hoe if a loader isn't available.

    Peterbilt
     
  5. LawnProLandscapes

    LawnProLandscapes PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,129

    wheel loader by a long shot.
     
  6. wishin4snoww

    wishin4snoww Junior Member
    from S.E. MI
    Messages: 27

    I'm in the same boat looking at a 2 yd loader 18,000 lbs 4x4 would be used for snow only but dont think it will push the 12ft box very well.
     
  7. nedly05

    nedly05 Member
    Messages: 36

    For a parking lot I would say the loader and a pusher, but on private roads, long driveways, the backhoe is nice cuz it has the built in tow truck!!:D
     
  8. KGRlandscapeing

    KGRlandscapeing 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,660

    if i had the chance id get the back hoe and just get a pusher or something for it. because then come summer i have a loader and back hoe all in one
     
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Loader, more weight and more torque. When it comes to heavy equipment, HP doesn't matter as much as the previous 2 items. Loader will outpush a backhoe any and every day.

    How big of a lot? 10 acres? 2 acres?

    How far do you have to push the snow?

    All to one area?

    Will you have to load or stack any snow eventually?

    You're in Syracuse, lake effect country, so if this lot is of any size, a loader is the best (and only IMO) option.

    wishin4snoww, why would a 18K# machine not push a 12' pusher box?
     
  10. DJs Lawncare

    DJs Lawncare Member
    Messages: 90

    Well the whole property size is something like 23 acres and the building is 270,000 sq. ft. I am not sure of the exact lot size but I beleive it is about 4-5 acres. The snow doesn't have to be pushed down the entire building, just to the back of the property(shorter runs). We ususally get about 30 plowable events a year in the 3-6 inch range. I don't know about stacking snow as these people are just buying the property.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2008
  11. pwrstroke6john

    pwrstroke6john Senior Member
    Messages: 183

    Id go with the loader, with a backhoe when youre pushin snow it only wants to straight and will not turn at all until you pick your pusher and lose the load. Around here everyone uses a 950-966 size loader with 14 footers for the lots.
     
  12. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    Wow thats a small box for a 950. With a nice loader like that i would be using a 18 or 20' box. Now thats pushing some snow.
     
  13. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,039

    I have a 12' box on a junky JCB 212 and it pushes great. Im not a specialist on boxes but i would think you could put a 16' on that thing
     
  14. JD Dave

    JD Dave PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,046

    18-20ft boxes are only good for certain sites. 14-16 ft can be used in almost all applications. A 20 ft pusher will also leave a lot of snow if the parking lot is not level. JMO
     
  15. fordsrule

    fordsrule Member
    Messages: 68

    Well if you need a back hoe in the off season why not buy it and use that and then rent or lease a loader for the winter and have both on site or use the back hoe for other lots?
    Just an idea
     
  16. pwrstroke6john

    pwrstroke6john Senior Member
    Messages: 183

    up here they make all the parking lots rolling hills, so a 20 would leave alot.
     
  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,868

    Shoot, we were running a 16' on a 938 last year until he traded UP to a new 544J.

    Unless you have a lot of small areas where a 16' won't fit, you're wasting time and money with that small of a pusher on that size loader.

    Course, there is an idiot running a 12' backhoe model on a 950 by me. Not sure why, looks ridiculous.
     
  18. toyman

    toyman Senior Member
    Messages: 111

    I have a 10' on my backhoe. It pushes great, would rather it be a 12' though. If you are the contract holder I would buy the biggest machine that you can afford. If you are subcontracted (like me), I get paid by the hour, so buying a bigger machine to get the job done quicker will lose me money. I also have the ability to travel down the road to different lots, with anything over 12' you are going to need a truck and trailer for the pusher for traveling.

    Toyman
     
  19. Little Jon

    Little Jon Senior Member
    from Buffalo
    Messages: 139

    We run our 16s down the road, but only for big storms & after 10pm. Mostly if we have a place that needs a 16 we will have one on site and just keep it there.
     
  20. Jay brown

    Jay brown PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,783

    do all boxes have rubber edges?