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Backdrag Weight

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by EEW, Dec 25, 2004.

  1. EEW

    EEW Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    Here in Ohio we had a great snowfall. Lots of $$. The only problem is that we got rain for 3 hours after we got 12" of snow. After the rain it turned back into snow. This caused a problem once it froze on top of snow in driveways that had not been plowed yet. I found that when I tried to back-drag away from the Garage doors that my blade would not get through the crust. Has anyone thought about increasing the weight on the plow in order to get a better back-drag????

    :dizzy:
     
  2. 04superduty

    04superduty PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,354

    depending on your plow you can get a back drag edge. basically its like a cutting edge that works for when you go backwards. I dont think you want to put any more "weight" than you need to on your plow. A rear plow/pull plow would really help in situations like that too.
     
  3. lqmustang

    lqmustang Member
    Messages: 36

    I ran into a few of those, and I would plow forward first, then backdrag. Seemed to do a fair job once the ice started setting in.
     
  4. EEW

    EEW Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    Tried something different

    Today I Did what you said but I also plowed forward toward the garage within 6 feet of then I backdraged the fluffed snow out. It worked better. I also want to make myself a bakdrag bladed that I can put on in on a moments notice. I think I will use the holes made for the plow shoes. Maybe make pegs mounted to a steel plate that can slide into the shoe holes with quick pins. What do you think?Should be quick and light for one person to handle!
     
  5. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363

    Plow it forward the last few feet then lift, forward a couple feet, drop blade and backdrag er out. You can also turn your blade for a better cut after ya try a straight blade pull.
    Todd
     
  6. Robo

    Robo Senior Member
    Messages: 107

    I just push a button on my plow but then again I have the DP option on my snoway :nod:
     
  7. PLOWMAN45

    PLOWMAN45 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,829

    were talking major ice crust snoway is not goona break snow one heavy fisher or western will break that
     
  8. Robo

    Robo Senior Member
    Messages: 107

    Not sure what you mean?? Snoway is the only plow I know of with downpressure and would have to believe when the DP is engaged it weighs more than a western or fisher :nod:
     
  9. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    I have a back drag edge on my western, got it middle of the season last year. I love it , digs right to the pavement and scrapes better than forward,
    i like it better than a back blade, if you have a drive that curves to the garage instead of having to get as straight as possible you just angle the blade to match the angle of the garage, i have even plowed and then back bladed to scape the pavement off better, just seems to get thru the packed layer better than the front scraper.
     
  10. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    oh ya forgot to mention, it would be a real bad idea to use it at three in the morning next to a customers house. (very very loud) :nono:
     
  11. demetrios007

    demetrios007 Member
    Messages: 79

    You may want to try loosening up your bolts on the cutting edge with the plow down in float and then tighten them back up. If you put a backdrag on a western after the cutting edge is broken in it will take a while to get the front to cut even with the back again, till the backdrag edge gets shallowed.......
     
  12. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    ya i knew that right away but it still works great, its worn in to match now
    it did take awhile and it is still loud, thanks for the tip, i just dropped the blade and plowed a few side roads from customer to custmer to wear it in, i'll bet i had everybody looking out their windows wondering wht the hack was coming down the road, its louder than the county plows.:waving:
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2004
  13. lqmustang

    lqmustang Member
    Messages: 36

    I'm curious as to how much the backdrag edge set you back, and was it available at your dealer?
     
  14. MickiRig1

    MickiRig1 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,617

    I don't think anything would of helped with the conditions we just had!
    Maybe a magic wand? Get what you can and take a straight edge shovel
    ( coal shovel) and just manually remove it from in front of the door? If it's daylight ask the customer to open the garage door and push in, then back drag.
    Just watch getting too close to the garage doors, remember when you raise the blade it will arc forward when you drop it.
     
  15. Robhollar

    Robhollar Senior Member
    Messages: 766

    I was having my customers open the garage door and I was backing into the garage and pushing straight out. It was all i could do to get that frozen ice crust up from the drive...Rob
     
  16. EEW

    EEW Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    Thanks

    I have a MEYER 7.5. Has anyone seen a backblade for my unit? I wish the MEYER had down pressure. I did have a few customers open the door and it was great to see bare pavement when I was done. I am a perfectionist and hate to leave snow on a drive!
     
  17. infineon954

    infineon954 Senior Member
    Messages: 235

    With the storm that we had, I don't care what kind of plow you have, down-pressure or not, you cannot back drag
     
  18. stumper1620

    stumper1620 Senior Member
    Messages: 222

    i was back dragging that heavy wet stuff last spring and twice this year
    it gets the snow back to where you can push it, may take a few pulls if its really packed but it still cuts down through to the pavement,
    oh ya i picked it up from my western dealer they keep them in stock just like the front edge, 78 bucks out the door last year. :waving:
     
  19. justme-

    justme- 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,138

    Man, It must be a New England thing- we make our drag edges up here from old worn out cutting edges.
    Weld on a piece of bar stock to the ends so it can be bolted to a plow rib and notch it out to fit around the springs and etc but above all else make sure you can chain it up when your not useing it. If you stack alot you know how easy it is to get too much snow behind the blade to back right out (man I miss the old straight chain and grab hook on the A-frame) without re hooking the blade higher- well, the back edge makes for alot more snow to be held there. I am going to rig up a pneumatic piston to raise mine via SS aircraft cable for next year.


    OH- and most important with a drag edge remember there are no springs- when you hit a sewer cover/water shutoff/edge of the driveway the plow does not give (pavement tends to come up in big chunks tho)
     
  20. Runner

    Runner Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    Justme,
    Is it possible that you could post a pic or two of this setup the way you have the bars welded onto the edges, and the way you have it notched out for the springs? This would be a big help...thanks.