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Average??

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by Goofeychuck, Nov 14, 2014.

  1. Goofeychuck

    Goofeychuck Junior Member
    Messages: 2

    We have an average of 26" here a season and most of my customers request a 2" trigger. What multiplier would you experienced pushers use? Or would you base estimates off an hourly rate or sq.ft.?

    Thanks Chuck
     
  2. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Give them a seasonal price,
     
  3. BC Handyman

    BC Handyman PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,863

    dont go hrly or by sqft is my advise, are you talking resi or comm? residential usually wants 2", commercial usually 1" triggers IMO
     
  4. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    I would divide 26 by 2, and add 4 more pushes for a cushion....17 pushes...
     
  5. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,869

    Holy crap, we can have that many pushes with 75" of snow and 1" triggers.
     
  6. ponyboy

    ponyboy Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    What's average of plow able events a season
     
  7. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Trigger meaning something other than tolerance limit?
     
  8. ponyboy

    ponyboy Senior Member
    Messages: 957

    To me trigger means start plowing
    You have the ok to plow at 2 inches after that my contract says we will keep main access lane open and make a pass every 2-4 inches depending upon storm
    So we try to make passes every 2 inches but if you get 2 inches an hour it's impossible to do it every 2 inches
    So for me trigger means an ok to start plowing
     
  9. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    I bet the OP's area gets closer to an average of 5 "plowables"..?...

    I would start with "time" to figure out what you want to charge. Know all of your costs to stay in biz, then add profit.
     
  10. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,869

    Pffft, what would you know?
     
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,869

    Well yeah.

    Trigger: Depth at which plowing is performed.

    Tolerance: what is allowed after plowing commences.

    But still, all this talk of plowing all accounts at exactly the tolerance limit is hooey. At least for anyone that gets real storms or lake effect.

    Do contractors really base their routing on snowing at .25" per hour with 4 hour routes? So if the tolerance is 1" they can start over again?

    I'll never understand that concept.
     
  12. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    We need a glossary to define terms...

    Resi

    Comm

    Trigger

    Pusher

    Box

    Stack

    NSP

    Tolerance

    All in

    Tiered

    Cap

    Blizzard clause

    Etc...........is there already such a glossary? SIMA have one?
     
  13. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,869

    Why?

    No matter how you look at it, a 2" trigger does not mean someone is going to have 14 pushes when there average is 28" of snow.

    And then telling him to just throw another 4 on top of it is flat out bad advice.

    Seriously, so if I have 1" triggers and we average 75" of snow, I should price a job at 75 pushes plus adding a few on for return trips?

    We're supposed to be here to help people, not give bad advice that will cause them to lose bids because they are terribly overpriced.
     
  14. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Mark,this is the difference from places that get snow and places that don't get much.
     
  15. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Depends on what they define trigger to mean, doesn't it. If the client and contractor take it to mean "plow every two inches", then as a seasonal bid, my numbers are fine.
    As far as help goes, you seem to be here more to snark and berate, not help. In fact, it is all you do. Don't bother replying or speaking to me any more.
     
  16. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    This sounds like a Bird quote to me.
     
  17. jrs.landscaping

    jrs.landscaping Senior Member
    from Maine
    Messages: 637

    Not going to jump on you, simply put things into perspective. Your bids in most of these threads is all across the board. If I based a seasonal on your info I would have had 100 pushes last year.

    As far as Mark's advice take it or leave it, but I'm pretty sure he's forgotten more about snow removal than some have learned, just my .02.
     
  18. snocrete

    snocrete Banned
    Messages: 2,862

    Not much. I just shoot from the hip on everything. :D

    fixed it fer ya

    I used to think that. Not so much anymore. Ignorance is a disease that's not discriminant of region.

    Please explain how your advice is accurate/"fine" for the OP.


    stop encouraging him...you'll only make things funnier.
     
  19. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,692




    Please don't blow anymore Sunshine up Marks Skirt.......His ego is Large enough......:laughing:.......:drinkup:
     
  20. SnoFarmer

    SnoFarmer PlowSite Fanatic
    from N,E. MN
    Messages: 8,574

    terms...

    Resi, Regional Economic Studies Institute


    Comm, communication is key


    Trigger, Roy Rogers horse

    Pusher, slang for your dealer

    Box, see girlfriend

    Stack, a rack of servers

    NSP, national ski patrol

    Tolerance, what you build up when your a heroine user

    All in, a big bet at the porkers table

    Tiered, levels man, levels, Kramer

    Cap, a hat


    Blizzard clause, Santa's big brother


    Just here to help
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2014