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Anyone work for nationals and have you ever seen a contract without arbitration?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by NJSnowMgt, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. NJSnowMgt

    NJSnowMgt Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    It appears all require costly arbitration prior to any lawsuits over disputes and many now require you to arbitrate and litigate in their home town/county.

    so if you are a contractor from Maine working for USM, you must hire a lawfirm and travel to PA for any legal disputes "usually revolving around the management company not paying you or in full in the end.

    What happens toward the end of the contracts, or many months after you've already long finished your work for the season, they pop up with contract disputes over how you serviced for the entire season.

    If you chose to argue and fight for your money to be paid in full, you must first travel to their home town and then hire a new lawfirm, likely because the one that represents you in your state/town, isn't able to handle legal issues in that state and/or just way too costly to drive/fly him or her to another state for a full day or many occasions to attend arbitration or court hearings.

    Think about it, the next time you sign a contract, as many mgt. companies understand that for anything less than $20,000 owed, you'll likely never seek re-payment for the services rendered because you'd have to spend that much or more in hopes to collect it.

    There is HUGE weight in ONLY contracting with a management company that is local to you, which most aren't. if you have one local to you in your own state, you have much better chances at a long term relationship over the one season or shorter relationships with management companies out of your home state.
     
  2. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    I believe this has always been the case. You cannot make a defendant change his own venue.
     
  3. basher

    basher PlowSite Fanatic
    from 19707
    Messages: 8,992

    And you are governed by that state's statutes, some are more business freindly then others, a reason why DE is so popular to incorporate in and why their courts are so busy.

    This is only for disputes over receiving payment, slip and falls are handled in the state of occurrence.

    "COSTLY" arbitration is much cheaper than the courtroom.
     
  4. Sawboy

    Sawboy PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,591

    Orrrrrrrr just don't sign with nationals. Every year, guys talking about not getting paid.........every year, more people to fill the void because "this time, it will be different"
     
  5. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    And most cases the arbitration company that is handling it is paid by the company and not you. very hard to win even if you follow all the rules
     
  6. Buswell Forest

    Buswell Forest PlowSite.com Addict
    from NH
    Messages: 1,668

    Never going to plow as a sub for anyone, especially a bunch of crooks like the nationals.
     
  7. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    If everyone would stop working for national providers and accepting there ridiculous contracts we all would be better as an industry.
     
  8. NJSnowMgt

    NJSnowMgt Junior Member
    Messages: 12

    True, you still may get a bill for half of the arbitrators fees daily.
     
  9. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,598

    This is absolutely the answer but time and time again you see contractors say "Nationals have all the accounts, you HAVE to work for them". It's absolutely ridiculous.

    Even if every member of this site refused to work for NSPs they'd be fine. We represent just a fraction of the total amount of contractors that are out there.
     
  10. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    Please tell me how you get a store that a national holds the contract to.

    I guarantee you there are more people that work for nationals that don't have problems than those that do
     
  11. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    Take Nancy Reagan's advice.
     
  12. TCLA

    TCLA 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,699

    Which quote...this one? It's one of my favorites....:drinkup:

    “I don't intend for this to take on a political tone. I'm just here for the drugs.”
     
  13. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    Very true. There will always be some guy who will want to plow a Walmart for nothing. Once they realize there not making any money and they hold all the liability they might change there mind the next season.

    I just have a hard time figuring why time and time again guys (especially on this site) knowing the risk, have heard the negative comments/feedback on not getting paid etc and still are signing up to work with the big boys.
     
  14. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,598

    Until the NSP is unable to perform service at that location you're just going to have to find other accounts. Don't pigeonhole yourself into thinking the only large accounts are big box stores.
     
  15. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    Which will never happen.

    We have nsp accounts. Some companies are better than others.

    I work landscaping for nsp as well with no issues
     
  16. Ne1

    Ne1 Senior Member
    Messages: 370

    I sure hear much more negative than I do positive.
     
  17. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    Of course you do. That's how it is. No one praises only bitches.

    If everything is going good why tell anyone. Only thing you hear is people whining and complaining
     
  18. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,853

    :laughing::laughing::laughing:
     
  19. Defcon 5

    Defcon 5 PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,669




    She was a Very Wise Woman...........:salute:.......:drinkup:
     
  20. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 770

    although i hate national companies we do have one of our larger contracts through a management company but this is the only company i would ever work for because they are one that will not screw you big time for the most part but i am trying to replace them this year so i dont have to work for any company anymore