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Anyone really knowledgeable about DOT regulations concerning trailers?

Discussion in 'Commercial Snow Removal' started by JimMarshall, Nov 4, 2015.

  1. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    As the title states, I have some questions about truck/ trailer GVWR restrictions, as well as crossing state lines and log books.
     
  2. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,521

    Check-in.....

    Ask way my friend, plenty on know it all here on PS.
     
  3. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    1- I have heard that it is not legal to tow a trailer with a GVWR higher than that of the truck towing it. I can't find anything h about this. Looking at a trailer, wanting to jump to a 14 thousand lb GVWR trailer. Is this a problem of I'm towing with a 13,200 lb GVWR truck? Or as long as the trailer payload doesn't exceed the trailer GVWR and the whole thing doesn't exceed GCWR an I good? I am assuming the latter but would like confirmation.

    2 - regarding crossing state lines and logbooks. I currently do not have to run logbooks because I do not cross state lines or travel far enough from our shop. If I cross state lines on a limited basis completing a non revenue generating function ( purchasing a new piece of equipment, or traveling to a trade show, conference, training, etc..... Am I required to run a log book?
     
  4. jhall22guitar

    jhall22guitar PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,044

    Not sure what GVWR it was, but at a former employer we had a F350 towing a trailer go from MA to CT to pickup salt on pallets, and I do not think we had logbooks. I don't believe the trucks had DOT numbers either since we stayed in state normally. The trailer was able to carry a mini-loader though (Terex, TL80? is that what someone on here just got, its the same size as the one we had)
     
  5. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,521

    This part will stir up the crowd.
    This will be the debate here....
     
  6. Dogplow Dodge

    Dogplow Dodge 2000 Club Member
    from NJ
    Messages: 2,956

    Some states require DOT numbers on the truck as well. NJ doesn't require them, but other states do if commencing in interstate commerce, which sounds like what you're doing.

    NJ is messed up.

    (like that's a surprise ? I live here.... enuff said)

    So,

    I have a small pickup truck where the factory gave it a 6000 lb gvw, or somewhere around that. I go to buy some hot asphalt in the trailer I have, and they won't let me in. Said that my pickup has to be registered to include the weight of the trailer and payload. Really ? I thought the truck was registered as one weight, the trailer as another, and I was done.

    Nope.

    I had to re register it at 12000 lbs so that the total weight of trailer, payload and truck were under the amount registered. It's a half ton truck. It's a mini toyota Hilux pickup. It was never intended to be registered at 12K. Oh well, I did it, and moved on. Eventually, I re registered it back down to 6000 and forgot about it.

    So the point is the state of (or the socialist state of) NJ had no problem letting me register it at 12k. I could have registered it up to 23k or whatever it is that switches to a CDL, no problem.

    Why not just contact your DMV ?
     
  7. snowplower1

    snowplower1 Senior Member
    Messages: 774

    Jim, I learned a ton here about dot and regulations so I'll share and im sure some others will have more knowledge. First off i love how the dot makes it impossible to understand the regulations so they can ticket us so easily... anyway
    I believe you can tow the trailer with a higher gvwr BUT you need to make sure the registrations weight on the truck and trailer are not over the gcwr and obviously stay within those limits.

    I know nothing about logbooks so i look forward to hearing from other about this as well although i only cross on personal runs for vacation.
     
  8. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    I already have the DOT numbers, and my trucks are registered combination.

    Have you ever tried to contact the DMV? I'd rather sit in a cold shower and pound my balls flat with a wooden mallet.
     
  9. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,857

    1) You heard wrong.

    2) Depends, but if you're going interstate, you'll be better off keeping one. Unless you want to sit for 10 hours. Or......go with an marked truck.

    If you're pulling the trailer you will need the logbook, just a truck, no.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2015
  10. Freshwater

    Freshwater Senior Member
    Messages: 893

    1, trailer gvw can exceed gvw of truck.

    2, log book if 150+ miles from home base or cross state line.

    3, if 10001 lb or more gvw going interstate dot numbers displayed, if intrastate it's up to state. When you applied for dot number you picked one or the other, you can change back and forth, make sure your registered right.

    Trade shows and such and purchasing equipment are for business, going to the cabin for vacation is not.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2015
  11. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    You need a class a for that combination. You're over 26 combined.

    If your trailer is registered for 10k you would be ok
     
  12. Freshwater

    Freshwater Senior Member
    Messages: 893



    You are correct. Nice catch.
     
  13. Randall Ave

    Randall Ave PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,976

    If you want to get really crazy, you may need apportioned plates, or would need temporary permits. But I do not no what weight rateing that all starts at. Calling the state DOT sucks, but maby try to go to a local state police barracks, they should be able to answer any questions you have.
     
  14. 1olddogtwo

    1olddogtwo PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 11,521

    FYI, some bad info here already
     
  15. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    1 I assumed as much.

    2. I think I'll keep one that day just to be safe.
     
  16. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    I already have my DOT numbers displayed. I don't take my company vehicles on vacation.
     
  17. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,857

    Why don't you enlighten everyone?
     
  18. JimMarshall

    JimMarshall Senior Member
    from NW PA
    Messages: 785

    Not if I register the truck as a combination less than 26,001. It doesn't matter what it CAN be registered as, it matters how it is registered. For example, my Ram has a GVWR of 19,000 and my current trailer is 12,000. So I can potentially register them as a combo up to 31k lbs, which would require the Class A. But if I register the combination at 26,000, I don't need it, as long as none of the ratings are exceeded.
     
  19. Mark Oomkes

    Mark Oomkes PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 10,857

    You're wrong.

    Registration has nothing to do with CDL requirements but everything to do with GVWR.
     
  20. Whiffyspark

    Whiffyspark 2000 Club Member
    from SOMD
    Messages: 2,402

    Gvwr is what they go by.