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Any idea on a price

Discussion in 'Bidding & Estimating' started by rcrev, Oct 27, 2008.

  1. rcrev

    rcrev Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 2

    This is a school (my husband is a board member) which I think is paying WAY too much for removal. They pay a per-occurance price, must plow when it gets to one inch. The lots are blue, the sidewalks (shoveled) are yellow. It's in Chicago. THANKS for any ideas! I saw the bid for "four inches", that's what I wonder about...realize it can be more, or less.

  2. dfdsuperduty

    dfdsuperduty Senior Member
    Messages: 597

    :realmad:With no sq footage I am going to take a shot in the dark here and say $9000 1-3" just to plow another $250.00 per hr per side walk crew (3 man crew) 1hr minimum $4750for salt applied at MY choosing and I always pre salt and post salt $80per bag of calcium for side walks..... do you honestly think that we are going to give a valid estimate on here if your current contractor is doing a good job then he is worth the money if not open it up to bids and find someone who will do a good job. You get what you pay for.... please remember that salt has gone thru the roof for us and just 1 tool for our PROFESSION to perform a emergency service cost a min. $30-35,000 now we start take into consideration our insurance, gas, wear and tear on the vehicle, time away from our family at christmas, valentines days, birthdays, new years eve and day, hanakauha and lets not forget that this is usually at 2am while you are nice and warm in your bed etc..... :rolleyes:
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2008
  3. rcrev

    rcrev Junior Member
    from Chicago
    Messages: 2


    I thought you could see the size from the cars in the parking lot. I'm a housewife/mom...I LOVE that you guys do this while I'm in bed! I know it's not a guy and a truck, it's a business with insurance and overhead, etc... The current guy charges $2,000 for four inches, EVERY time it snows. He could be there twenty times this year...$40,000??? That just sounds like a frigging lot of money to me! Thank you, though...
  4. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Was he lowest bid? If so, the other bids including that one should give you a good indication of what its worth in your area.

    Messages: 30

    Wow, that guy sounds like a lowballer!:gunsfiring:
  6. 06HD BOSS

    06HD BOSS 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,611

    without walking the property its tough to call, but my bid would be about 2/3rds less than the price you mentioned. not including salt

    EPPSLLC Senior Member
    Messages: 209

    $99 :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  8. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363

    That price seems way to high to me. All plowing contractors are fleecing this country just like the lawyers. I would find an illegal alien with a shovel way cheaper IMO.
  9. 06HD BOSS

    06HD BOSS 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,611

    you just proved why many of us have a hard time getting accounts :waving:
  10. Camden

    Camden PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 6,594

    You would plow that for $660? Maybe I'm missing the fact you're being sarcastic but at that price I don't know how you could come out ahead.

    The only part of the property that offers you a straight run is the area between the inlets. Check out all of the curbing that you'd have you go around :dizzy:

    If they're not happy with what they pay just find another contractor. They might find out at $2k they're getting a deal...
  11. 06HD BOSS

    06HD BOSS 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,611

    sort of sarcastic. just for the sake of arguemnt lets see.... thinking about it seriously, $660 would be a little on the low side, but still decent. that lot has a lot of turns, but actually very straightforward and shouldnt take more than 1.5-2 hours to plow, and for the sidewalks if you have someone on an atv with a blade and a guy with a blower for the tighter areas, the walks cant take more than 1.5-2 hours. 2 guys doing the walks while 1 guys plowing, should be done around the same time. with those numbers, your payroll for that property would be no more than $200. so at $660 youd be making $460 before fuel which isnt great, but not terrible.
    personally, i would bid it somewhere between $900-$1200
  12. grandview

    grandview PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 14,609

    Around here all schools are done with the maintenance staff. No outside bids.

    EPPSLLC Senior Member
    Messages: 209

    same here ......
  14. T-MAN

    T-MAN PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,363

    Getting accounts is easy. Getting profitable accounts were customers appreciate quality work with "fair pricing for all party's" is hard.

    2K is a number period, it is really irrelevant. What is relevant is what makes up that number. Suzy Homeowner hears 2K and freaks, but actually has no clue what is involved. This SnowPlow Man might actually make 40K that is horrible right ?
    Does any one know what is involved in this site ?
    How about salt storage. What does it cost just to keep a pile in Chicago ?
    How about all the emergency exits that were not in yellow ?
    Way to many variables to even consider condoning this Contractors price.
    My comment about hiring an "illegal shovel guy", should take care of that ungodly number of 2K right ?
    Problem solved, we slashed and burned that horrible number :nod:
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2008
  15. albhb3

    albhb3 PlowSite Veteran
    Messages: 3,505

    Ha!!! 98.50
  16. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,035

    WOW after all the "comments" people have made I figure Ive got to look at this a little closer.

    1.I believe im a middle of the road plower (speed wise) and there is no way that lot would take me more than 3-3.5 hours. So at a good price for the plowing thats $420.00

    2. Sidewalks seam like a pain in the @ss but no more than 1.5-2 hours with 2 men and a four wheeler. Now Ive never priced a four wheel by the hour but $115.00 per hour ($75 four wheel & operator and $40 for shovel guy) so that s $230.0

    3. Now salting is even tougher to get close on since price differs by town never mind by state. But if it takes 3-4 hours to plow you are looking at probably 1.5 tons of salt per app. So that s ABOUT $375.00 per app. (in my state)

    4. Sidewalk salt..................I don't even want to touch that

    I would guesstimate it at $650.00 per push 1"-3" and $870.00 3.1-6"

    Not that i know a whole lot about anything but i would probably bid this out !
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2008
  17. cet

    cet PlowSite Fanatic
    Messages: 7,196

    I wasn't going to answer this but with so many stupid answers I will help out. I plow 36 schools every time it snows(10 trucks). I have 5 schools that are that size or close to that. I am pretty sure most of my guys could do that school in 3 hours. 1 ton of salt and it should be running water. The sidewalks with 2 guys and 2 blowers and a walk behind salter can't take 2 hours. Maybe 500 lbs. of salt for the walks. You just cleared them to bare how much salt can you use. $125/hour for the truck (in US dollars, all my guys would show up for that). 1 ton of salt spread, $200 and $150 for the sidewalk guys and $75 for sidewalk salt. $900 per 4" and I will take all the work you can find.
  18. Superior L & L

    Superior L & L PlowSite Veteran
    from MI
    Messages: 3,035

    For what its worth I love that mams are mams there GREAT!
    I would like to put a bid in for this school. I could probably manage/plow this site from michigan for a better price than the guy around the corner is doing it for.

    $1600 per push. I will save the school $400.00 per push or possibly $8,000.00 per year and give the BEST service ever. Think how many books 8 grand can buy !!!

    Either way if you dont like how close i am to you then rebid that job TODAY!

    Realy want to pi$$ the local plow guys off, ask for a hourly rate.

    Im off to bid a 10 building district tomorrow that wants hourly pricing :cry:
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2008
  19. JDiepstra

    JDiepstra PlowSite.com Addict
    Messages: 1,780

    I think some of you guys are underestimating the time it would take to plow this lot. Where are you going to be putting all the snow?
  20. JohnnyRoyale

    JohnnyRoyale 2000 Club Member
    Messages: 2,935

    Some of you amaze me. How can you guys throw magic numbers out without knowing contract specifics?

    Now, provided he's charging $2000 per 4" push-God Bless Him. Theres a guy whos getting paid what he wants under those circumstances and has probably taken him years to get to that agreed upon price or had the school board by the short and curly's and capitalized on the opportunity. Instead of commending this mysterious plower on his score and assuring this lady she's paying what she should(who IMO has nothing better to do and should find a P/T job of her own to occupy her time) -you propose lower rates, or suggest you can do it for so much less. Sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone.

    Superior-I agree $8000 buys alot of books, but is it really your problem? There are better ways to save some money than to take it from the guys that work in the most miserable of conditions to put food on their tables. JMO.